Iron Chef...Miniature painting style?

[supervike]

Anyone interested in a little "fun" competition?

What I was thinking was taking a list of people who would like to participate....randomly pair them up, and have a tournament style "paint-off". The twist would be there would be themes the painters would have to adhere to. (for instance...one theme may be...Purple. The miniatures have to consist of a purple paint scheme....)

We would have to have several rounds, to be able to come up with a "champion". I haven't hashed out all the details, but would like to see what kind of participation we would have.

Maybe the idea would be prizes at the end...Or possibly charge an 'entry fee' of a mini or two.

Any thoughts? I think we would also need a fair way to determine the winner at each stage.

[Brimshack]

They MUST submit progress photos for earnest commentary.

[r2-j1]

This is a really cool idea, and it sounds like a lot of fun.

It could force people in directions they may not normaly go, and expand their expierince. Thumbs up from me.

[Frustrated Father]

Sounds interesting - head it up Jim, I'll just be watching from the shadows.

[green stuff]

I'm game for this one. Great idea Jim :)!

[cdukino]

I'm game. Count me in. The entry fee of a mini or 2 sounds good. A bit like a Mini exchange only you send to the winner.

[green stuff]

Just to make Jim's life easier, could other people who want to enter the competition sign up by copying this list and adding their user name to it by alphabetical order?

Brimshack (not sure if you're in, could you please confirm)
cdukino
green stuff
r2-j1
supervike (I suppose you wouldn't want to miss out on the fun ;))

[Duende]

Oh what the hell. I'll probably get blow away by the first person I go up against, but maybe this will make me actually touch my brushes again.

Count me in.

:bird:

[green stuff]

Great to see you in Michelle :D ... but you could have updated the list ;) :

Brimshack (not sure if you're in, could you please confirm)
cdukino
Duende
green stuff
r2-j1
supervike (I suppose you wouldn't want to miss out on the fun )

[supervike]

All right! 6 folks is a good start.....I'll work on some more concrete ground rules, but I am very open to suggestions. PM me or include them here.

[EricJ]

This sounds pretty cool, and should definately be fun to watch. I would join, except I think I better work on entering online competitions which require just 1 painted mini, before I graduate to those which potentially require multiple.

[Frustrated Father]

@Eric
Pffft - that'll happen.

@Jim
Since this is being put together on Wyrd - I'll go ahead and add two miniatures two the pot from releases that will be coming down the line when this is finally done and over.

[TheMasses]

I know I’m going to regret this given my astonishingly slow painting pace, but here goes. :dancing2:

The List:

Brimshack (not sure if you're in, could you please confirm)
cdukino
Duende
green stuff
r2-j1
supervike (I suppose you wouldn't want to miss out on the fun )
TheMasses

[Skya]

Anyone interested in a little "fun" competition?

What I was thinking was taking a list of people who would like to participate....randomly pair them up, and have a tournament style "paint-off". The twist would be there would be themes the painters would have to adhere to. (for instance...one theme may be...Purple. The miniatures have to consist of a purple paint scheme....)

We would have to have several rounds, to be able to come up with a "champion". I haven't hashed out all the details, but would like to see what kind of participation we would have.

Maybe the idea would be prizes at the end...Or possibly charge an 'entry fee' of a mini or two.

Any thoughts? I think we would also need a fair way to determine the winner at each stage.

Could be amusing. How long were you looking at between rounds?

[Jabberwocky]

Could be amusing. How long were you looking at between rounds?

If it is 3 months I'll think about it. I can't seem to go any faster than that... :tongue2:

[r2-j1]

Well part of what makes iron chef entertaining is that they are operating under a tight time constraints.

I don't think you want to make the round times to long. I think a little sense of urgency is kind of part of what could make this format different and interesting.

[Brimshack]

I do think this is a great idea, but I'm going to opt out on account of the dry brush special I do isn't worthy of an Iron Painter. That, and I haven't had time to paint a mini since, ...well, ...since, I started a miniature line.

[TheMasses]

I do think this is a great idea, but I'm going to opt out on account of the dry brush special I do isn't worthy of an Iron Painter. That, and I haven't had time to paint a mini since, ...well, ...since, I started a miniature line.

Ah, the irony. :kabong:

[supervike]

Ok, none of these are hard and fast rules, but some guidelines I think we should follow. The main goal of this "competition" is really community building, and plain just having fun.

1. It is imperative to have an equal amount of painters, so I may or may not participate, depending on the number of players.

2. I will randomly assign the matchups. I have no way to verify this will be done as fairly as possible, but I ask that you just trust me. My plan is to assign each painter a number, and select a pairing out of a hat. I will use witnesses. At this point I will also assign that rounds "THEME INGREDIENT". Again, I will try to do this as randomly as possible. (i have several ideas on this theme, but would like some more input PLEASE!!)

3. Each round will last 2 weeks. Once started, the painters will be required to send me a .jpg pic of the mini via e-mail (will be provided) by the 2 week deadline date. I plan on just posting the stuff on Photobucket and linking the pics back to here. We will try to keep it as anonymous as possible, so it will not be a popularity contest.

4. Voting will commence in a similar fashion. Anyone can vote (not just participants) but I will tally the votes via E-mail. I think a one week time frame for voting should be plenty.

5. I will post the "winners" of round one. At this point, The "defeated painter" should pay their entry fee of 1 miniature. This mini should be sent directly to the person who bested them. A cool twist may be to send the actual mini you had painted (like racing for pink slips, but I will leave this up to the defeatee). Additional miniatures may be donated, as I think we should have some Random Participation Prizes (ala Random Schmuck). This is where I plan on distributing the new WYRD minis Nathan has graciously put up.

6. After the winners from round one are announced, round two pairings will be established (using the same method from above) and round two will begin. We will continue in this fashion until "THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE". Each round you will have the potential to lose or win one miniature.

7. I will donate 25 (american) dollars to the OVERALL winner, plus if we have any
additional donated minis, we can bless the winner with those as well.


Any thoughts?

Anyone can join, regardless of skill level, but no one can join after APRIL 12, one week from today.

Sign up already if you haven't!!!

[vincegamer]

Love the painting for pink-slips idea. To be a bit more interesting you give over ALL your winnings.

In the end, the winner has a squad of minis all painted by different people.

[cdukino]

I don't always part easily with my painted miniatures... and I like to keep these as reminder personally, win or loose (and it would limit my to paint mini choice a lot to as I can't get miniatures easy and there are a fair few I don't wanna loose but do feel like painting). And I fear if I might know in advance I don't have much chance of winning that round (due to theme or whatever), I might rush the paintjob instead of doing my best (as 2 weeks is very short to begin with) for I know I will have to give it up. So I think just sending a unpainted miniature, or resieving one would work better for me.

As for themes: also including the obvious:
NMM,
one colour (be it variations off allowed 3 maybe 3 kinds of purple) covering atleast 90% of the figure,
bloody miniatures (or the splatter zone),
freehand (though in 2 weeks... ai),
uncommon skin colour (So no human flesh normal colour or a green goblin) miniature theme (dwarves, knights, goblins, magic users... though this might be to broad),
2 colour pallet (just 2 colours and black and white),
OSL,
alternative armour (so no NMM steel, gold colours or the likes or metal paints),
Basing
see through/sheer effect

[Frustrated Father]

Wyrd can host the pictures easily enough if you want Jim, just like the contest is run, we can put up everything in its own gallery and make it anonymous. Polls can be done here too if you want, or via PM or E-mail - this your game, just giving options if wanted or needed.

[cdukino]

3. Each round will last 2 weeks. Once started, the painters will be required to send me a .jpg pic of the mini via e-mail (will be provided) by the 2 week deadline date. I plan on just posting the stuff on Photobucket and linking the pics back to here. We will try to keep it as anonymous as possible, so it will not be a popularity contest.


You mean a picture of the unpainted miniature at the start too, or just the finished product at the deadline? Unpainted would be most fair for you can't use non showed painted miniatures you might have had that fit the theme, but worked on for much longer then 2 weeks by then or even had finished already. Oke, not saying I distrust anyone. I'm willing to work on trust as well. This could just be a little extra proof then if we decide to do this.


2. I will randomly assign the matchups. I have no way to verify this will be done as fairly as possible, but I ask that you just trust me. My plan is to assign each painter a number, and select a pairing out of a hat. I will use witnesses. At this point I will also assign that rounds "THEME INGREDIENT". Again, I will try to do this as randomly as possible. (i have several ideas on this theme, but would like some more input PLEASE!!)

The theme ingredient. Will that be for all participants or one differnt theme for each pairing (so with 10 people in... 5 themes in a round or 1?)

[supervike]

Wyrd can host the pictures easily enough if you want Jim, just like the contest is run, we can put up everything in its own gallery and make it anonymous. Polls can be done here too if you want, or via PM or E-mail - this your game, just giving options if wanted or needed.

Ah that is excellent! I didn't want to push myself onto the WYRD site. It would be much easier to maintain/vote/etc. If we could do it like the contest is run....I will chat at you about this.

[cdukino]

Ah that is excellent! I didn't want to push myself onto the WYRD site. It would be much easier to maintain/vote/etc. If we could do it like the contest is run....I will chat at you about this.


If Nathan is ok with this as he said, I'd prefer the wyrd site. Looks nice, works well and keeps it all nice and in home ;)

[stef686]

What's the latest list of participants?

I'm in! :)

[r2-j1]

Yeah I think voting via a poll here on the forums would be much easier than email, and probably would mean more voter participation.

This all reminds me a bit of the Ikore painting contest series over on the TMP a few years back. Any one else remember that? It tought it was pretty cool.

[cdukino]

What's the latest list of participants?

I'm in! :)

cdukino
Duende
green stuff
r2-j1
stef686
supervike (depending on number of entrants, even/uneven )
TheMasses

I recon

[TheMasses]

What about the idea of a double elimination. I’m guessing that this would only be feasible if the number of painters was low, otherwise the contest would last a year. Just a thought, so I might get to paint two miniatures. :2:

[cdukino]

What about the idea of a double elimination. miniatures. :2:

What's that? The losers have to paint against eachother again and so do the winners? If so it would need not only a even amount of painters but couplings as well.

[Skya]

Just a couple of comments:

The problem with an any one can vote style, will be and always has been many.
1) a persons photography and painting style are often very obvious.
2) it often comes down to "how many real life friends do i have that I can tell to go vote" even if you tell people they cant id themselves online amd try to make it anonymous.
3) people will often vote based on thing other then the quality of the paint jobs. "oh I like orks, I'll vote for that one."

Besides, it'd be more fun and "Iron Chef" styled if you know exactly who is going head to head against who. Especially if people were made to put up work in proggress pics. Then the public could go ahead and make commentary on teh pieces and the judging panel could choose letting people commentary influence them or not. The judging panel would then do some sort of quick write up explaining (preferably in typical Iron Chef commentary style) why they chose the piece they did.

I would be interested in participating, but only if it's a juried contest.

Double elimination will take too long and a week or two sounds like a reasonable time frame for rounds.

[cdukino]

I tend to agree with Skya on this one. Though I'm fine with whatever we end up with.

[vincegamer]

Double elim won't take that long.
It also prevents something happening like me going up against Eric round 1.
I may as well not paint anything. Boy, wasn't THAT a fun contest.

I'm all for second chances.

[Klute]

My thoughts on this.......great idea BTW.

Dont use a voting system. IMO competitions with a voting system are less fun than a judged one. Get a respected person from the community to judge each round. Keep it fun above all else. Sort of having a laugh between the serious stuff. Not that Im saying the Wyrd comps arent fun but they are one of the biggest comps now and attract serious entrants.
Dont bother with anonaminity. I dont think its needed. Draw the names out of the hat and announce who faces who. The post a pic of their start mini then 2 weeks later the finished one. Nominated judge says who wins then onto next round.
Losers of the round send at least one figure to the winner. Let them decide what.

Sorry guys but I havnt got a spare nanosecond at the moment to take part.

I will put together a pack of goodies though from my "drawer full of unpainted lead".

[supervike]

I like the idea of a Juried Panel.....We could associate a score for each member for each element....IE...Followed Theme, Technique....Character...etc.

I will hash out the scoring a bit more.....Who'd be interested in Judging such a Panel? I vote for the Wyrd Owner, and his bevy of stable painters!!

Cindy...ideally we could operate on trust. Lets go on that premise, since the painters won't know the 'theme ingredient' beforehand.

Also, I though each round would have a different theme. So for instance, round one would have everyone using X technique, but you really only compete against your challenger.

[Frustrated Father]

Sounds like valid concerns and opinions all around and it looks like Jim has it well in hand.

If you decide to go with panel judging (and it seems that way), we'll be more than happy to participate on this end as there are higher level forums here hidden for personal use for the company/concepts/painting/discussions and I'm sure we can put together something right handy.

Jim, shoot me the details and we'll work something out here and setup the galleries, etc.

[Wren]

I like the idea of a judging panel, particularly if the judges can comment in a way as amusing and quirky as the judges I've seen on the handful of Iron Chef episodes I've watched. :->

I'd like to jump in the ring on this, and I've debating it, but 2 weeks would be a pretty tight deadline for me, particularly a few two weeks in succession (assuming I made it past more than one round), and especially as I'm going away for a week soon. I'll be watching this one avidly, though, sounds like fun!

[Jubilee]

An important thing to address is the model: Will painters be painting the same model? I think it's much fairer to say that competitors should paint the same model, but what happens if one of you doesn't own it - will you allow time for obtaining the model? The model is too important to the paint job, imo, to leave it out of the discussion.

I don't know if I can participate - I'm swamped right now - but I would be willing to judge if you go with a panel.

I think having the same judge(s) for them all and some kind of criteria for judging would be an interesting change for a mini contest. Also, I think that anonymity is mostly pointless & false. Many of us have distinctive painting habits and most of us can identify each other.

/ali

[EricJ]

I'd be happy to help judge, I don't know why we'd have to use anything behind the scenes either. I would say each duel gets a thread, where both photos are posted side by side. Whoever the judges are then ring in with their scores like in iron chef for each side:

Use of theme: 0-5 points
Technical quality/difficulty: 0-5 points
Overall Asthetic: 0-10 points

and it would be nice if the judge explains why they gave each score to make it ammusing and a learning experience.

Then once all 3-4 judges post scores, the entry with the highest wins and moves on.

just an idea.

[cdukino]

An important thing to address is the model: Will painters be painting the same model? I think it's much fairer to say that competitors should paint the same model, but what happens if one of you doesn't own it - will you allow time for obtaining the model? The model is too important to the paint job, imo, to leave it out of the discussion.


Thought of this. The model is indeed important. But it's very hard to get miniatures for me as I do have no miniature shop anywhere near by. And besides GW none at all in my country. I would have to order online and time waiting for everyone to get their mini would take out all of the speed I guess. Not to mention the extra costs that go with it for me depending on the mini. But comparable miniatures would be sensible I guess.

[Skya]

Honestly, I wouldnt limit pairs to using the same model. Just the "theme" aspect should be restricting enough without making people go out and buy more models. Besides, choosing what mini to use should be a part of the creative aspect of how each individual deals with theme.

Just my 2 cents.

[EricJ]

I agree, choice of model is part of creative application of theme, and should be left up to the individual. Also there is nothing that kills the fun like having to paint a model that is completely uninspiring to you.

[LeadAsbestos]

Am I too late?

cdukino
Duende
green stuff
r2-j1
stef686
supervike (depending on number of entrants, even/uneven )
TheMasses
LeadAsbestos?

[LeadAsbestos]

BTW, judges, public judging, painters choose the minis, and I do like the unpainted "proof" photo idea as well.

I love the idea of mailing out your losing entry. Every good contest needs some danger. (At least if you can't get Heidi Klum to host. Sorry Jim!)

[Duende]

I hate to say this but I have to put my participation on "stand-by". My home computer's modem got fried by a recent storm, and the new modem doesn't seem to want to work with the computer. So now my only online access is my work computer, which I'm supposed to use for work ;) So if I don't have it fixed by the 12th, I'll have to withdrawl since I won't have reliable access to the 'net.

Ahhh, gotta love technology :rocketwho

[cdukino]

I thought about it, and depending on wether or not we have to send out the loosing item to the winner instead of unpainted mini(s) I might be in or out. I truthfully don't like to have to send the painted models away when I loose unless I decide myself to do so on a particular case... sorry. I have no problem what so ever sending off unpainted miniatures to the winner.

[vincegamer]

I would have to order online and time waiting for everyone to get their mini would take out all of the speed I guess.
This could be solved by deciding on the minis for each round well in advance and letting people know so they have time to get the minis before the theme is announced.

I could go either way with this idea. Same mini makes it seem more fair and is easier to judge. But the limitations are obvious and I think restrictions are completely appropriate.
For example,
I wouldn't like THEME: PURPLE have fun!
One guy does a squig while his opponent does the mounted red lioness?
I would like THEME: PURPLE, SUBJECT: FANTASY MAGIC USER, SIZE: 25-30mm.
You're not stuck with the same mini, but you also don't have a Reaper dwarf up against a Forgeworld Ork bust.

[green stuff]

One guy does a squig while his opponent does the mounted red lioness?
If we have 2 weeks to paint and unless people take vacations, I don't see how people will be able to paint complexe minis. I think Jim is right to suggest such a short period. That way you can focalize on the theme and not try to add additional eye candy. More over, I recal Cyril getting a silver demon with his gretchin miniature tank. Small can be beautiful especialy on such short delays.

[EricJ]

I don't like the whole "send 1 mini to the winner" ideas. Seems to me like the only people winning would be the post office. Iron chef doesn't even have prizes, winning gains you the honor and respect of the people! I would say give the overall winner something, and maybe if it goes really well this time, next time we can work out something more complex. But I would say for this initial run, lets figure out 1 prize for the overall winner and leave it at that. More than anything this will encourage participation, and help get an event like this going.

[supervike]

I don't like the whole "send 1 mini to the winner" ideas. Seems to me like the only people winning would be the post office. Iron chef doesn't even have prizes, winning gains you the honor and respect of the people! I would say give the overall winner something, and maybe if it goes really well this time, next time we can work out something more complex. But I would say for this initial run, lets figure out 1 prize for the overall winner and leave it at that. More than anything this will encourage participation, and help get an event like this going.

I don't disagree with those sentiments...but I do like the idea of having something on the line while painting. Again, I think the main emphasis of the whole 'paint off' should be building Community spirit....giving folks bonds with each other.

I will have FINALIZED rules this coming weekend....SO please, keep signing up, and keep throwing out those ideas! Excellent stuff people.

[cdukino]

I don't like the whole "send 1 mini to the winner" ideas. Seems to me like the only people winning would be the post office. Iron chef doesn't even have prizes, winning gains you the honor and respect of the people! I would say give the overall winner something, and maybe if it goes really well this time, next time we can work out something more complex. But I would say for this initial run, lets figure out 1 prize for the overall winner and leave it at that. More than anything this will encourage participation, and help get an event like this going.


I'm fine with this as well. One price(package) for the overall winner if there is gonna be a price. The rest for honor.


This could be solved by deciding on the minis for each round well in advance and letting people know so they have time to get the minis before the theme is announced.

I could go either way with this idea. Same mini makes it seem more fair and is easier to judge. But the limitations are obvious and I think restrictions are completely appropriate.
For example,
I wouldn't like THEME: PURPLE have fun!
One guy does a squig while his opponent does the mounted red lioness?
I would like THEME: PURPLE, SUBJECT: FANTASY MAGIC USER, SIZE: 25-30mm.
You're not stuck with the same mini, but you also don't have a Reaper dwarf up against a Forgeworld Ork bust.


I like the more guided minichoice for a more honest comparison, but still free choice of mini. A certain specific miniature demand can as mentioned before be one you don't feel like painting (can be with theme to, but that's the iron chef challenge too) and/or the mini can be hard or expensive to get for some people (sendingcosts from companies can be killing). And I find picking the miniature for the competitionround(s) (even if it's restricted/guided) a big part of the fun and sure helps getting creative juices flowing. Much more then having to find and order a specific miniature I might not even be inspired by, having to pay up for the mini and sending and having to wait and hope post doesn't screw up.

[EricJ]

I don't have a problem with something on the line. However, when you have people from all over the world mailing minis, suddenly you have people paying 5$ in shipping to send a $3 mini to someone.

If you want something on the line, charge $5 or something, and send it all to the winner. Paypal is fast and free. But ultimately I just like playing for fun, and then the overall winner gets something! We want people to join, and suggesting negative consiquenses for losing doesn't encourage that. Sure if the idea gets WAY fun and popular, then this is more doable, but we're just testing it out now. What if the system of judging becomes a big issue of debate, and people are now forced to send minis or such when they totally disagree with the results? Just setting us up for bad results.

[gi6ers]

Probably worth having a round involving Wyrd minis so that Nathan gets something out of hosting it....

Just a suggestion....

[Tyneth]

I'd like to join the fun too :

cdukino
Duende
green stuff
LeadAsbestos
r2-j1
stef686
supervike (depending on number of entrants, even/uneven )
TheMasses
Tyneth

[EricJ]

Probably worth having a round involving Wyrd minis so that Nathan gets something out of hosting it....

Just a suggestion....

A round with a wyrd mini theme might be a good one actually :)

Since we all know we can get those minis, I'm sure nathan would be sure to get minis out to anyone in a timely and relatively cheap manor in terms of shipping

[Frustrated Father]

More than happy to, but its not needed or required in the least bit as frankly this is for the Wyrd community and having a bit of fun - populating and enjoying the site is more than enough reason for hosting this in any way, shape or form.

That said, if ya'll do go that route, lemme know and I can put something together per Jim's instructions.

[james9487]

I think I'll join in.

cdukino
Duende
green stuff
LeadAsbestos
r2-j1
stef686
supervike (depending on number of entrants, even/uneven )
TheMasses
Tyneth
james9487


One thought: if we start with an even number, 10, then round two will have 5 people so we're going to have uneven numbers sooner or later right?

[cdukino]

yep, better get 16 or 32 entrants then ;) (or 8 but I don't wanna leave people out)

If it's uneven we can always do a best 2 out of 3 for those cases for one group or something.

[supervike]

These rules take precedent over any others...


1. The list of participants (10 so far) will be randomly paired up and the "THEME INGREDIENT" will be announced by FRIDAY the 14th of APRIL. People can still sign up at any time by adding their name to the bottom of the list, but lets make the cut off date THURSDAY the 13th. The pairings will be publicly viewable on this (or maybe a new) thread.

2. Once announced, the participants have two weeks to prepare and paint a mini. We are going to put on trust that everyone is starting a NEW miniature, not one that has been painted already. (We will not require anonimity, and encourage smack talk.) Deadline to upload your finished picture for ROUND ONE will be Saturday the 29th by 6pm CENTRAL STANDARD TIME (thats where I live, look it up!)

3. JUDGING: Judging will be done by a panel of WYRD experts. ERICJ, Frustrated Father, and Ritual. Also, unbeknownst to these fine folks, I will use them as mediation for any sort of dispute. I feel these fine fellows are completely fair and trustworthy. Roughly the criteria they will be working from will be what ERICJ mentioned earlier. SCORING will be...

Use of THEME INGREDIENT..... 0-5 points
Technical Quality/difficulty........0-5 points
Overall Asthetic.......................0-10 points

Comments from the judges will also be highly recommended.

4. It is possible to have an odd number of entrants left after any given round. SO, that being the case, the judges will designate a "HEY GIVE ME ANOTHER CHANCE" award. This award will be for a very close runner-up, and will be allowed to advance to the next round. (thanks James for pointing that out!)

5. The Winners from the 1st round will be announced, and a few days will be left open for comments, more smack talk, predictions, etc. Random Pairings and a NEW THEME INGREDIENT will be announced shortly after, and we repeat the process.

6. The LOSER (sorry so harsh) will be asked at that point to send to his or her victor, 1 miniature. EricJ suggested a 5 dollar (american) Paypal, which is also acceptable.

7. Play continues in this matter until we have the IRON PAINTER!! At that point, the victor will recieve a 25 dollar (american) prize, kudos from your peers, and throngs of fans and endorsements. (that last part is a bit of a stretch)

8. ANYONE wishing to donate EXTRA prizes, please contact me VIA PM. I would like to award participation prizes and such. WYRD has already donated a few, and we appreciate it greatly!!

9. MINIATURE CHOICE This is completely to the participants discretion. Again let me emphasize, we are going on trust that you are starting an UNPAINTED mini. Lets just have fun and be honest.

Final notes/thoughts.

This activities main goal is just to have fun and build community spirit. Hopefully, there are no bumps in the road, but that may be too wishful thinking. If problems do arise, we will deal with it as fairly and honestly as possible.
We can tweak the rules as we proceed, if needed.

WYRD is graciously allowing us to host our fun here, providing judging, and even some great prizes, but ultimately this is my doing. If problems do arise and bad feelings need to be directed, make sure they are pointed at me, and not to the site. Also, since currently I am listed as a participant and this is a bit of a conflict, I'll excuse myself from winning any sort of random prize. But if I beat you fair and square, you better pony up!! LOL




CURRENT LIST OF PARTICIPANTS:


cdukino
Duende
green stuff
LeadAsbestos
r2-j1
step686
supervike(depending on entries odd-even)
TheMasses
Tyneth
James9487

[james9487]

Sounds great.

4. It is possible to have an odd number of entrants left after any given round. SO, that being the case, the judges will designate a "HEY GIVE ME ANOTHER CHANCE" award. This award will be for a very close runner-up, and will be allowed to advance to the next round.

Ooo, I like that, great idea. I can't wait to get started!

[Skya]

Count me in.

Skya
cdukino
Duende
green stuff
LeadAsbestos
r2-j1
stef686
supervike (depending on number of entrants, even/uneven )
TheMasses
Tyneth
james9487

[Ritual]

Good thing I read this thread! It seems I've been made a judge!! :peace:

[vincegamer]

I'm going to wait til the last possible minute to decide whether or not to join this.

[EricJ]

Good thing I read this thread! It seems I've been made a judge!! :peace:


You'll like it, think of the bribes, addoration, etc... we'll be sure to recieve :D

Are we advertising this event anywhere else, or just taking those already checking these forums to find it?

[EricJ]

oh, also, are we going to get an Iron Paint forum? it seems like each confront deserves a thread for comments, so they don't get all mixed up...and that will clutter up this forum real fast. Maybe a subforum from this one?

Just think'n

[Frustrated Father]

Wyrd Community Events (where the thread is now) doesn't get used much, feel free to clutter, that's what its here for.

[Jubilee]

May as well give it a try!

Jubilee
Skya
cdukino
Duende
green stuff
LeadAsbestos
r2-j1
stef686
supervike (depending on number of entrants, even/uneven )
TheMasses
Tyneth
james9487

[EricJ]

4 more and we have 16, which would be a perfect number! :)

[green stuff]

Maybe Anders could get Sebastian and Sven to join? I'll try to find a few people on my side.

[EricJ]

should we advertise more? I can think of several people on Jenova's or elsewhere which might be interested, but I don't want to step on toes...

[Ritual]

Maybe Anders could get Sebastian and Sven to join? I'll try to find a few people on my side.
I'll ask and see if they're interested. Sebastian is already a member here.

[supervike]

Yes 16 would be ideal....but I don't want this to get away from us before we even start. But, yeah, invite a few folks if you could.

[supervike]

TICK TICK TICK...the clock is ticking down.....Best let me know soon!!

[vincegamer]

AAAAAAAH!
STOP PRESSURING MEEEEE!

p.s. If you end up with 12, I suggest you go 12:6: 3:1 and just finish with a 3-way comp.
Or you could go with your runner up idea. 12:6:4: 2:1

[EricJ]

ooh, 3 way rumble for the prize, I like it :)

[supervike]

Vince....join us...join us..join us...

[cdukino]

I like the 3 facing off in the end idea for when we have 12. Making it a grand finally

[vincegamer]

I think vike just wants me in so he won't have to do it :vb_tongue
Okay, I guess it will force me to paint something.

vincegamer
Jubilee
Skya
cdukino
Duende
green stuff
LeadAsbestos
r2-j1
stef686
supervike (depending on number of entrants, even/uneven )
TheMasses
Tyneth
james9487

[supervike]

THE TIME HAS COME!!!

I randomly assigned all 12 contestants a number (1-12) and then put those numbers into a hat. I had my 10 year old daughter draw the numbers, one at a time....each pair equals a matchup....

HERE ARE THE MATCH-UPS....

ROUND ONE

CDUKINO vs SKYA

THE MASSES vs TYNETH

VINCEGAMER vs James9487

JUBILEE vs STEF686

DUENDE vs LEADASBESTOS

GREEN STUFF vs R2-J1


THE THEME INGREDIENT

(I wrote down 12 'theme ingredients', and had my daughter again choose one number)

METALLICS

The miniature choice is up to you but the painter MUST USE real actual metallic paints on the miniature.

You have two weeks....THE CUTOFF DATE IS SAT. APRIL 29th.

Let the insanity begin!!!

[green stuff]

METALLICS

The miniature choice is up to you but the painter MUST USE real actual metallic paints on the miniature.
BUMP!!! *** sound of my head hitting my desk :P ***

This is going to be hard but interesting (haven't done real metallics in over a year and a half now :P).

Good luck to R2-J1 :)!

[cdukino]

THE TIME HAS COME!!!


CDUKINO vs SKYA



I'm screwed ;) Well it does mean I have to push myself to really do my very best atleast (not that any other pairing would have ment otherwise... and metal;ic paints... that's a hard one.). Is this all a bad thing?... nope ;)

[Duende]

Just because I'm too lazy to go back through all the pages of this thread, but what are the rules? Do we provide WIP shots to Vike? How much money do I need to bribe the judges? You know... the important details! :laugh:

[green stuff]

@Michelle :

These rules take precedent over any others...


1. The list of participants (10 so far) will be randomly paired up and the "THEME INGREDIENT" will be announced by FRIDAY the 14th of APRIL. People can still sign up at any time by adding their name to the bottom of the list, but lets make the cut off date THURSDAY the 13th. The pairings will be publicly viewable on this (or maybe a new) thread.

2. Once announced, the participants have two weeks to prepare and paint a mini. We are going to put on trust that everyone is starting a NEW miniature, not one that has been painted already. (We will not require anonimity, and encourage smack talk.) Deadline to upload your finished picture for ROUND ONE will be Saturday the 29th by 6pm CENTRAL STANDARD TIME (thats where I live, look it up!)

3. JUDGING: Judging will be done by a panel of WYRD experts. ERICJ, Frustrated Father, and Ritual. Also, unbeknownst to these fine folks, I will use them as mediation for any sort of dispute. I feel these fine fellows are completely fair and trustworthy. Roughly the criteria they will be working from will be what ERICJ mentioned earlier. SCORING will be...

Use of THEME INGREDIENT..... 0-5 points
Technical Quality/difficulty........0-5 points
Overall Asthetic.......................0-10 points

Comments from the judges will also be highly recommended.

4. It is possible to have an odd number of entrants left after any given round. SO, that being the case, the judges will designate a "HEY GIVE ME ANOTHER CHANCE" award. This award will be for a very close runner-up, and will be allowed to advance to the next round. (thanks James for pointing that out!)

5. The Winners from the 1st round will be announced, and a few days will be left open for comments, more smack talk, predictions, etc. Random Pairings and a NEW THEME INGREDIENT will be announced shortly after, and we repeat the process.

6. The LOSER (sorry so harsh) will be asked at that point to send to his or her victor, 1 miniature. EricJ suggested a 5 dollar (american) Paypal, which is also acceptable.

7. Play continues in this matter until we have the IRON PAINTER!! At that point, the victor will recieve a 25 dollar (american) prize, kudos from your peers, and throngs of fans and endorsements. (that last part is a bit of a stretch)

8. ANYONE wishing to donate EXTRA prizes, please contact me VIA PM. I would like to award participation prizes and such. WYRD has already donated a few, and we appreciate it greatly!!

9. MINIATURE CHOICE This is completely to the participants discretion. Again let me emphasize, we are going on trust that you are starting an UNPAINTED mini. Lets just have fun and be honest.

Final notes/thoughts.

This activities main goal is just to have fun and build community spirit. Hopefully, there are no bumps in the road, but that may be too wishful thinking. If problems do arise, we will deal with it as fairly and honestly as possible.
We can tweak the rules as we proceed, if needed.

WYRD is graciously allowing us to host our fun here, providing judging, and even some great prizes, but ultimately this is my doing. If problems do arise and bad feelings need to be directed, make sure they are pointed at me, and not to the site. Also, since currently I am listed as a participant and this is a bit of a conflict, I'll excuse myself from winning any sort of random prize. But if I beat you fair and square, you better pony up!! LOL

[Frustrated Father]

OooOOoooh - this is going to be interesting.

And I refuse to give in to bribery - unless it comes with scantily clad pictures (looking around for wife to beat the tar out of husband).

[vincegamer]

I'm glad I already had this theme in my local group.
It was "Metallics on some armored Reaper Dwarf" but I decided to try my hand at alcohol metallics.
Now I know not to do that on this one. :thumb:

[Duende]

...unless it comes with scantily clad pictures.

Here you go.....

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-4/19912/fashion_bikini3.jpg

Sorry, you didn't say WHAT was supposed to be scantily-clad. ;)

[Frustrated Father]

Damnit! My eyes!

[EricJ]

I'd just like to say that I DO give into bribes, feel free to PM me for details about payment plans :)

[supervike]

I guess since I am no judge OR contestant, I'm the goofy guy at the beginning of the Iron Chef show....

Thus the new avatar...

[r2-j1]

Wow great timing on the theme for me. I was about to start a project that I was going to use as a metalics tutorial any way. Now it gets to do double duty. :)

I'm excited

[vincegamer]

Wow great timing on the theme for me. I was about to start a project that I was going to use as a metalics tutorial any way. Now it gets to do double duty. :)

I'm excitedLucky you. I was really hoping the theme would be pirates as I have accepted a commission to do a band of zombie pirates for a friend.

[Ritual]

Lucky you. I was really hoping the theme would be pirates as I have accepted a commission to do a band of zombie pirates for a friend.
You could use metallics on them. :idea:

[Jabberwocky]

Whee--looking forward to this Battle Royale!

Good luck to one and all!

[Skya]

I'm screwed ;) Well it does mean I have to push myself to really do my very best atleast (not that any other pairing would have ment otherwise... and metal;ic paints... that's a hard one.). Is this all a bad thing?... nope ;)

Gah, metallics eh? Lord, I cant remember the last time I did real metallics... Hoo boy, this should be interesting. Dont sell yourself short, this'll be a tough one for me too...

[TheMasses]

Metallics... METALLICS. Aw crap.

Well best of luck Tyneth.:cheer2:

And I refuse to give in to bribery - unless it comes with scantily clad pictures
Are you sure you want scantily clad pictures of a 300 pound man? :twitch:

[LeadAsbestos]

Not real excited abt this one as we just did that tutorial, but what the heck! Maybe I actually learned something... :vb_tongue

[supervike]

Not real excited abt this one as we just did that tutorial, but what the heck! Maybe I actually learned something... :vb_tongue

Yeah, honestly I wasn't real excited about it when I saw what the selection was....

Blame the Gods of Randomness!!!

Also, maybe we should start some serious side betting, on who the favorites are, will there be some upsets? This is true Gladiatorial combat here folks!!! LOL

[Frustrated Father]

Okay - everyone has been REAAAAAALY nice. Hell with that, where is the smack talk, bring it on, I haven't watched good ol' wrasslin' in a long time.

:D

I'll be creating an 'Iron Painters' section in the gallery for ya'll to upload to. Since this isn't going to be anonymous or any of that, I'll let Jim tell ya'll when to upload everything. I can also create teams and rounds of subsections in there as well (or we can simply do that out here in the forum as that is just as easy) for the judging, etc.

Jim, give me direction on where you would like to go on this and I'll be happy to take it there.

[supervike]

Thats great Nathan, thank you. Is it possible to set it up, so painters can upload the pics anytime, but the viewing won't be made 'public' until the deadline date (ROUND ONE DEADLINE IS APR 29)?

Also, having subcategories of rounds would be very cool, and fun to browse through.

I didn't mean to create work for you...:argh:

[Frustrated Father]

I can do that - but the painters won't be able to look at the work until I mark it so that the public an view. If that's kosher I can setup that any time. If WIPS and the like and publics viewings are wanted, that will have to go another route as I'm currently looking into some software updates that 'may' take care of this.

[vincegamer]

I'm gonna bitch-slap James 9487 so hard folks will start calling him James9486!

That good? I'm not very practiced at trash talk.
Actually, I just had a glance at his CMON gallery and may as well surrender.
Still, I'll see what I can do. I managed to get in a full 20 minutes on it this weekend, and all I managed to do is flub the gluing.

Still, win or lose I promise you irony.

[EricJ]

ooh, ooh, can judges smacktalk also?!

I'd like to say, I've gotten 3 bribes already, but 2 were for the same duel, so more bribes may be needed, and for everyone else, lets get going on them!

:D

[EricJ]

Iron Painter contestants are so ugly, their ears are sticking out from the side of their head just to get away from their face!

[Skya]

I can do that - but the painters won't be able to look at the work until I mark it so that the public an view. If that's kosher I can setup that any time. If WIPS and the like and publics viewings are wanted, that will have to go another route as I'm currently looking into some software updates that 'may' take care of this.

I wanted to put up my "raw materials" ie bare metal miniature picture and wasnt sure where I should do that...

[Duende]

Iron Painter contestants are so ugly, their ears are sticking out from the side of their head just to get away from their face!

Hey, we don't all look like you! :bootyshak



Now where's LeadAsbestos? My mini's off and running, are you still standing at the gate? :bump:


(Sorry, the Kentucky Derby's coming, can only think in racing terms) :tongue2:

[EricJ]

all your miniatures are so flat, when you turn them sideways, you can't see them anymore! :D

[LeadAsbestos]

@ Duende- Actually I haven't started yet, because I'm still laughing from looking at your CMON gallery. :thumb:

Think I'll take a nap... :)

[LeadAsbestos]

Oh boy! Pennsylvania too! Do you keep your chew on the painting table, or down to the outhouse?

(This is kinda fun!)

[Duende]

Dear LeadBottom,

I saw your gallery too. You really should try using brushes rather than Q-tips. Just some helpful advice....

Also, I don't think your mom would appreciate you calling her basement a "wretched hive of scum".

Love,
-Duende


And Eric, I would say your minis are lacking depth, but I think it's really the painter.

:tool:

:D (oooh, this IS fun!)

[supervike]

Wow, the gloves come off fast with you folks....

[james9487]

Yo Vince, maybe I should close the gap a little and paint with my eyes closed! :bootyshak

After this contest, you will :hail: me!

[Ritual]

ooh, ooh, can judges smacktalk also?!

Eric, your judging sucks so bad that you couldn't pick a winner even if there was just one contestant! :nutkick:

[EricJ]

Eric, your judging sucks so bad that you couldn't pick a winner even if there was just one contestant! :nutkick:


yeah? well there was a reason no on told you you were going to be a judge in this thing, they were hoping you weren't going to notice :D

[green stuff]

Well, I've started mine (http://greenstuff.free.fr/img/WyrdGames/Iron%20Chef/IC1/Round1/Proof.jpg), and did a bit of conversion (not too sure about how the chainmain came out) :

http://greenstuff.free.fr/img/WyrdGames/Iron%20Chef/IC1/Round1/IC1R1WIP1Front.jpg
http://greenstuff.free.fr/img/WyrdGames/Iron%20Chef/IC1/Round1/IC1R1WIP1Back.jpg

But I finished the base last night :

http://greenstuff.free.fr/img/WyrdGames/Iron%20Chef/IC1/Round1/IC1R1Base.jpg

Oh and : Eric, your really need to stop photoshopping your minis ;). Oh wait a minute, you've been showing me WIP for ages, you must be European to paint so well :P.

[Frustrated Father]

Galleries have been created. If you can't find them, well ... your just slow then.

:tongue2:

[LeadAsbestos]

@FF- I think you mean "you're"

Who were we talking about again? :thumb:

[r2-j1]

Wow, only my competetors base is posted and it feels like an uphill struggle.

[supervike]

Please oh please don't let this degenrate into a 'your momma's so fat' contest....

[green stuff]

@r2-j1 : actually it's a pretty easy technic used in modelling (airplanes, tanks, ...). First you paint the metal. Then you apply a latex based mask (I still have an old bottle of Color Stopper) where you want the paint wear marks (don't be affraid to apply a blob) and let it dry (this can also be used to cleanly paint windows on vehicles). Once dried you paint the whole surface normally (shades and highlights too). Once the paint is dried, you carefully rub away the latex (since you applied a blob it's bumpy) with the plastic cylinder that protects your paint brushes (hard yet soft enough not to scrape of the metal paint). You might want to redo some black inks on the metal because the latex tends to take it off. I added a very thin wash of Scorched Brown to get the rust effect. I also used the mask technique on the eagle to get two layers of different wear. Good luck for your entry and be sure to post WIP ;).

[vincegamer]

Are we supposed to post WIPs? I kinda wanted it to be a surprise. Plus taking photos requires me to rearrange the furniture to get out the lamps and camera and takes at least 30 minutes that I could otherwise spend painting and need if I'm to finish in a week.

Oh well, I managed to fix my gluing flub (pinned it though logic said I shouldn't have had to) and primed it.

[EricJ]

I think it's up to each person, there is no requirements, might be better to lul your opponent into a false sense of security :)

[r2-j1]

I probably won't be posting any WIPs before the contest, but I will be taking WIP shots through out, as I am using this model for a tutorial I am making for another site. I will probably post it here also when it gets done though.

[green stuff]

@vincegamer :
2. Once announced, the participants have two weeks to prepare and paint a mini. We are going to put on trust that everyone is starting a NEW miniature, not one that has been painted already. (We will not require anonimity, and encourage smack talk.) Deadline to upload your finished picture for ROUND ONE will be Saturday the 29th by 6pm CENTRAL STANDARD TIME (thats where I live, look it up!)

[green stuff]

I think it's up to each person, there is no requirements, might be better to lul your opponent into a false sense of security :)
True :firedevil.

However, for those of you who might have followed Kaple's contest a while back, WIP was quite helpful when the critics were constructif (and not overly PC).

[Jubilee]

Sigh.. I've already forgotten who my opponent is. At least I won't have to worry about being psyched out by WIPs shots.

There's not going to be a written test at the end, I hope.. ?

/ali

[LeadAsbestos]

I plan on getting my a$$ handed to me in the first round, so no WIP shots will be necessary! I'll delay Duende's gloating (at least I hope there is gloating :thumb: ) until the big reveal...

[cdukino]

Well I can't show you wip pictures even if I wanted to. Haven't made them and I did finish mine today (well save the touch ups I will likely do). But to get a foot in I have made a sneek preview for ya... 3 guesses which mini this is... (Eric is disqualified for this as he knows (but has not seen it yet))

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/cdukino/foot.jpg

[vincegamer]

Is it that old knight holding a torch?

[cdukino]

Is it that old knight holding a torch?

Why yes, he is... do we have a winner here already ;)

[vincegamer]

Wow, and that was without even looking him up.

[edit]
Oh, to heck with it. Surprise is overrated.
I've gone ahead and posted a WIP. At least, I think I did. It's not showing up but I suppose it has to be screened first.

Anyway, I can do a blurry snapshot without setting up the lights so I thought I'd do it.

Now I can explain my comment about how my entry would be ironic.

[Skya]

Yeah, WIP images are still being screened. Is there anyway to turn that off? Or at least speed up the screening proccess? ;)

[vincegamer]

It's gotten awfully quiet here. I guess you're all hard at work painting.

[supervike]

Yeah...Awfully quiet!!


Anyone willing to donate 'extry miniatures' to the cause, let me know. I'll donate a few as well as the 25 dollar prize, but I'd like to have a few more 'random prizes' to hand out....Lord knows I have plenty I could scrounge more up, but I like giving away miniatures as much as I like buying new underwear......
:reddy:
just food for thought.

[EricJ]

Yeah...Awfully quiet!!


Anyone willing to donate 'extry miniatures' to the cause, let me know. I'll donate a few as well as the 25 dollar prize, but I'd like to have a few more 'random prizes' to hand out....Lord knows I have plenty I could scrounge more up, but I like giving away miniatures as much as I like buying new underwear......
:reddy:
just food for thought.

oohooh, I have giant piles of random lead I could donate :)

well, not giant, but noticeable piles

[Skya]

It's gotten awfully quiet here. I guess you're all hard at work painting.

Work work work. Now go *heckle* the WIP stuff people!

[LeadAsbestos]

I'm gonna send a small bunch to whoever is unfortunate to win against me, quite possibly Duende!

After that, I'll see what I can put together...

[LeadAsbestos]

BTW, I'm done. :peace:

[cdukino]

Well if Skya wins (very possible) i have some thoughts about what to send her as price.

[supervike]

Roughly one week to go!!

[LeadAsbestos]

Happy Birthday Duende! Hope old age dosen't make your hands shaky...

:gimmie!: :wavey:

[vincegamer]

You must all be shaking in fear since only 2 of us are brave enough to post WIPs

[green stuff]

You must all be shaking in fear since only 2 of us are brave enough to post WIPs
Actually, it's 3 ;).

[supervike]

TICK TICK TICK....most of the contestants have been mightily quiet!! I hope they realize crunch time is fast approaching!

Who is going to survive to round two??

[r2-j1]

I had a busy weekend and didn't get a chance to work on mine. I'll dive back in tonight, and I think I can finish the painting and start the base. Then put the done stamp on it tomorrow. :D

[Duende]

Happy Birthday Duende! Hope old age dosen't make your hands shaky...

Don't worry, my hands only shake when I'm throttling somebody.

:reddy:

Ugh! Another year older, but none the wiser.

:vb_tongue

[vincegamer]

Actually, it's 3 ;).I guess your post hasn't been approved yet? I'm itching with anticipation.

[LeadAsbestos]

I posted my completed mini. WIPs are for sissies. :thumb:

[Ritual]

I want to start judging!!! :D

[Frustrated Father]

I've already judged, they're all losers.

:tongue2:

[LeadAsbestos]

Looser than what?

[Frustrated Father]

Damnit!

[Jubilee]

Err.. we have until Midnight Friday, right? I hope it's midnight PST...

;)

/ali

[cdukino]

Oke, feeling I can't improve on my grey knight in shining armor any more I posted him in the gallery.

[Duende]

Well, I posted the only pic I took of my mini so far (in the WIP gallery), and it was taken when it was just primered. She's got a little bit more color now. One thing that frustrated me was that I couldn't find a single other painted version of her online. Sometimes I like to see what others did with a particular mini, especially if there's a detail I can't see very well or whatever. But not a single other one! Even at CMON! (I'm guessing that if there is any of her at CMON she's mis-labeled of just titled "another mini" grrrrrr...). I hope I can do her justice!

:wavey:

[supervike]

Err.. we have until Midnight Friday, right? I hope it's midnight PST...

;)

/ali

The "deadline" to have your pics submitted is SATURDAY the 29th @ 6pm CST (which should be 4 pacific time)

So, you got a little play time in there....

[LeadAsbestos]

@Duende- I think that model you chose is beneath your skills. Granted. she's wearing a shit-load of armor, but is otherwise remarkably bad.

[vincegamer]

Duende, maybe they discontinued her because nobody was buying her.
Why's she holding her scimitar backwards?

LeadA - your criticism is singularly unhelpful. Was it part of the trash talk joke? If so, it's in the wrong place.

[Duende]

Hey, there are plenty of other minis out there holding weirder-looking weapons than a backwards-looking scimitar! Besides, among the reasons I chose her was 1) She had armor and a weapon to use metallics on, and 2) This gave me a reason to paint her which I might not have done otherwise (since she is kinda odd-looking).

So :p: to you LA, I think I can make her look presentable.

:umbrella:

[LeadAsbestos]

@ vincegamer- My apologies! I took your flat comment to be a little bit of a dig, and I continued the trend! Now I see a second comment of the same sort.... Oops! My mistake!

Is it really that flat? Those are GW metallics straight outta the pot... My varnish is rather thickly though.

[LeadAsbestos]

@vincegamer again- edited so I don't win "a$$hole of the year". :tea:

Seems like 3 years in a row would just be too much...

[cdukino]

@ vincegamer- My apologies! I took your flat comment to be a little bit of a dig, and I continued the trend! Now I see a second comment of the same sort.... Oops! My mistake!

Is it really that flat? Those are GW metallics straight outta the pot... My varnish is rather thickly though.

Maybe the varnish took of a big portion of the metalics natural light reflecting properties. It's that which i'm missing in the picture and which is what gives it it's true metalic paint look. natural reflection strenghtened and made more lively with the painting (as plain one colour metalics at this scale looks off, though with you it's not a contrast problem).

[Jubilee]

I finally got 'round to posting a WIP. However, I hope it doesn't commit me to actually using the model, as I may scrap it and do something else instead. :)

/ali

[supervike]

Time is tick tick ticking away, here is a recap of the matchups, so us 'amateur wannabe judges' can start staring and comparing....

HERE ARE THE MATCH-UPS....

ROUND ONE

CDUKINO vs SKYA

THE MASSES vs TYNETH

VINCEGAMER vs James9487

JUBILEE vs STEF686

DUENDE vs LEADASBESTOS

GREEN STUFF vs R2-J1

And a direct link to the Gallery....


http://www.wyrd-games.net/gallery/browseimages.php?c=29

[vincegamer]

Wow, and that was without even looking him up.
Now I can explain my comment about how my entry would be ironic.
No one ever asked what the irony was.

[supervike]

No one ever asked what the irony was.

Ok, I'll bite...what is the irony?

[vincegamer]

I'm paired against James.
The mini I am entering here is one he sent me in the Mini Exchange 7 at CMON.
He bought the mini only to have it used against him. mwuahahaha...ha...hachoo!

[supervike]

sorry that is less ironic, and more moronic....


KIDDING ONLY KIDDING!

In essence, he may have picked his own doom!!

[Jubilee]

What are the size restrictions (width, total saved size?) for pictures in the comp? Does it matter?

/ali

[supervike]

I think we had decided to go with the same rules for that as with Nathans WYRD competitions...



In a nutshell (and shamelessly cut n' pasted)


When photographing and editing your pictures, please submit them in .JPG (JPEG) format, with a file size of no larger than 250k. Photographs can be no larger than 800 pixels wide. I'm not much worried about length as it will allow you to fit in angles of the photograph. If you send me a photograph that doesn't fall within the limits prescribed above, I will edit it to do so, or exclude it completely if it is a problem.

Submissions after the cut off date will NOT be accepted, no exceptions.

In order to submit an entry for the contest, go to the current contest gallery and upload your entry. As the gallery is set for moderation, your submission will NOT show up immediately but will instead wait for me to review and edit accordingly. When submitting your contest entry, please take the time to describe the miniature and its manufacturer as well as any other contest notes you wish me to review before editing.

[supervike]

If you haven't got your picture in by now, thats it, time is up.

I noticed there are 10 pictures in the gallery right now, I hope the other two are just waiting for FF to ok them....

Judging can begin at anytime, hopefully take no longer than a few days.

[vincegamer]

I sent mine in on time. I assume it's just awaiting approval.
(I also posted it over at CMON in the WIP thread - you can see it there in case something went wrong submitting it here).

[Duende]

Has anybody heard from Stef686? He's the only one with a missing pic. His posting history shows he hasn't posted anything since Apr. 5th. :thinking: :dontknow:

[Frustrated Father]

Validated the last of the pictures last night when I got home (went to a party - first one in a looooong time). One contestant missing, and as of right now, nothing in the galleries to be moderated.

Stef686's last login was on on April 25th just before midnight so he's been around, likely life just got the better of him, happens.

[supervike]

Please feel free to comment on any of the minis in the gallery, but PLEASE could you send me your scoring via PM?

That way I can announce the winners and it would look more official like....


Remember this is the scoring criteria....


3. JUDGING: Judging will be done by a panel of WYRD experts. ERICJ, Frustrated Father, and Ritual. Also, unbeknownst to these fine folks, I will use them as mediation for any sort of dispute. I feel these fine fellows are completely fair and trustworthy. Roughly the criteria they will be working from will be what ERICJ mentioned earlier. SCORING will be...

Use of THEME INGREDIENT..... 0-5 points
Technical Quality/difficulty........0-5 points
Overall Asthetic.......................0-10 points

[Frustrated Father]

And we have how long to deliberate on the judging and have final scores and comments made? All comments in the gallery?

[supervike]

To keep things running smoothly....how about the judges giving me (via PM) their final scoring by Thursday May 4th at the latest.

That way I can announce the winners, pair up the round 2 contestants and choose a new theme ingredient by Cinco De Mayo....

[TheMasses]

Undelay areba!!

[supervike]

just to clarify....The scoring will not be private. You will all get to see the judges results, when I announce each match ups winner.

Thanks!!

[Duende]

Just a suggestion...

Since you probably have more "theme" ideas than are rounds, how about for next round, each set of match-ups get their own theme?

Thoughts?

[Skya]

Just a suggestion...

Since you probably have more "theme" ideas than are rounds, how about for next round, each set of match-ups get their own theme?

Thoughts?

That was actaully what I was orriginally thinking was happening, but I'm happy either way.

[stef686]

Incredibly sorry guys! indeed life got the better of me :(

I'm afraid I'll have to withdraw from the contest, will gladly send a mini to the winner as if I lost my match-up.

I was actually frantically painting my entry for Salute the first week which unfortunately was in NMM lol, then due to work etc I didn't have time to get another done this week :(

Apologies again and good luck to all for the rest of the contest!!

[supervike]

Just a suggestion...

Since you probably have more "theme" ideas than are rounds, how about for next round, each set of match-ups get their own theme?

Thoughts?


Well, I am open to suggestions. But I think since we already established it in this go around, we save that for the next incarnation of this Stand off...

I do like the "common ground" of having a similar theme for everyone (just my opinion).

[vincegamer]

It is weird though, seeing all of these minis and having to remind myself I'm only competing with one of them (and I'm glad it's not the tomb guard!)

p.s. Congratulations to Jubilee. A default victory is still a victory and means you move on to the next round, right?

[supervike]

It is weird though, seeing all of these minis and having to remind myself I'm only competing with one of them (and I'm glad it's not the tomb guard!)

p.s. Congratulations to Jubilee. A default victory is still a victory and means you move on to the next round, right?


I think that is what makes it fun....You don't have to worry about every entry, just the one your are up against!

Yes, Jubilee will default win to the next round. Although she would have been hard to beat regardless!!

I expect we may see a few more 'winners by default'. Two weeks is a short period of time, as we all actually have lives outside of mini painting. The urgency adds a bit of drama to the whole thing too.

[Jubilee]

Meh!

I don't want to win by default. =(

If Stef was working on an entry and reasonably thought he could finish it before the voting deadline with time for it to be voted on (wednesday?), I'd be more than happy to see him have an extension.

Ah well. :)

/ali

[Ritual]

You will most likely get your chance at a real face-off in the next round, Ali.

[vincegamer]

I sure hope the next round isn't "faces" and that I'm not up against Jubilee.
I think you can't beat her faces (I know I can't).

[r2-j1]

It is weird though, seeing all of these minis and having to remind myself I'm only competing with one of them (and I'm glad it's not the tomb guard!)


As the painter of the Tomb Maiden, thank you for the compliment. Over the last year or two I have probably worked more on my metalics than any other aspect of my painting. Funny how painting mostly warmachine minis makes you focus on them :thumb:. I once considered metalics my biggest weakness, but now I am marginally happy with what I can do with them. If your interested I took a few WIP shots of her and will be putting together a tutorial for the Privateer Press forum, but I will also post it here when I get done.

As far as the multiple themes idea, I acttualy like every one having the same theme. It gives you an oportunity to see how every one treated the same subject.

[cdukino]

I must say I prefer the all the same theme as well for the same reason. Fun to see more then 2 takes (well save from the last round ofcourse) on the same theme.

[Ritual]

From a judging point of view, I'd say stick to a common theme. Different themes will involve various difficulties and also limit the freedom of the painter to a different degree. That makes it harder to judge. Of course, each face-off will be judged on the same basis, but I prefer being able to judge all the entries acording to the same standards.

[EricJ]

From a judging point of view, I'd say stick to a common theme. Different themes will involve various difficulties and also limit the freedom of the painter to a different degree. That makes it harder to judge. Of course, each face-off will be judged on the same basis, but I prefer being able to judge all the entries acording to the same standards.

that was basically exactly what I was about to post, so I guess I'll just quote anders and add a smiley.

:thumb:

[EricJ]

Well, I got my comments in, now you all just have to wait to see how they translate into score ;)

[Frustrated Father]

Mine will be up in the next few days, running around here ragged right now.

[vincegamer]

Well, I got my comments in, now you all just have to wait to see how they translate into score ;)
I was reading your comments and discovered you were entering them at the same time (each time I went back to the table, you had commented on more minis).
Since mine was top and you were working from the bottom I kept checking again and again thinking "hurry up!"
Worth the suspense.

[Skya]

Is anyone coming out to ReaperCon? I'll be showing up minis in tow and would love to see and compare entiries in person. :rockon:

[EricJ]

I was reading your comments and discovered you were entering them at the same time (each time I went back to the table, you had commented on more minis).
Since mine was top and you were working from the bottom I kept checking again and again thinking "hurry up!"
Worth the suspense.

haha, I nearly went off to lunch with about 2-3 left, and would have saved them for later, but then I decided to push and finish, nearly left ya hanging ;)

[Ritual]

Ok! My votes are sent off to supervike. It was pretty hard judging here. I hope noone gets offended or anything. I've tried to be honest and use the grading intervals so as to be fair.

[supervike]

kind of creepy that your obtained your 666th post on that reply...


I also got Erics' judgments in, so just waiting for FF and I will tally the winners!!!

Round two hopefully to begin this weekend.

[Ritual]

kind of creepy that your obtained your 666th post on that reply...

:firedevil

[Jabberwocky]

*Waits with anticipation*

[Frustrated Father]

Working on mine right now.

[EricJ]

I'm really pretty interested to see how the voting between Anders, Nathan and I compair!

[TheMasses]

Me too. Of course I might have other reasons... :flute:

[Duende]

:blowup: Argh! The waiting's killing me!

[Ritual]

Patience is a virtue, Michelle! :poke:

[supervike]

ROUND ONE

CDUKINO vs SKYA ........Winner SKYA (Cdukino 46.5 pts, SKYA 50pts)

THE MASSES vs TYNETH.......Winner TYNETH (The Masses 34pts,Tyneth 39pts)

VINCEGAMER vs James9487...Winner VINCEGAMER (Vincegamer49.5pts,James9487 42.5pts

JUBILEE vs STEF686.....Winner by default JUBILEE (Jubilee 40.5pts)

DUENDE vs LEADASBESTOS...Winner DUENDE (Duende 32pts, LeadAsbestos 28.5pts)

GREEN STUFF vs R2-J1....Winner R2-J1 (Greenstuff 41.5, R2-J1 50pts)


SO the round two participants are as follows (in no order yet) SKYA, TYNETH, VINCEGAMER, JUBILEE, DUENDE, R2-J1. I will announce the Round two matchups and 'theme' ingredient shortly.


Some small incidental facts: (unrelated to anything, but just interesting)

The highest scorer overall was 50pts (R2-J1 and Skya)

The highest scorer in 'USE OF THEME' was 15pts (r2-j1)

The highest scorer in 'Technical Quality' was 13 (Skya)

The highest scorer in 'Overall Asthetic' was 24 (Vincegamer and Skya)

I will also post the actual judges votes and the various comments shortly as well.

REMEMBER....Contestants who did not win (ie the Losers) Should please obtain the mailing address of your victor and send them a miniature. (Paypal them 5 bucks would also be acceptable). If there is any problem with this, please PM me directly.

LASTLY...If you were defeated in this round, please send me your mailing address. We have some participation prizes.


Really lastly....Please allow me to thank the judges for such prompt and solid work. Also I wish to thank all the participants, its been pretty fun so far. And give Maya aka Valloa a bunch of kudos for sending along a bunch of minis to help with the Participation prizes.

[Duende]

Wheee! Nice to see I'm the lowest scorer of the winners :(

Anyways... here's some "Thank you"s:

To Maya aka Valloa for providing prizes

To FF for hosting

To Anders and Eric (and FF again) for "fair and impartial' judging (despite all the bribery and blackmail!)

and to Vike for the idea and running it!

THANK YOU!!!

:congrats:

[supervike]

Here are the Judging results and the comments that go with them.....

Please feel free to check my math on any of these. I apologize in advance if there is any sort of errors, I double checked them all. If there is any problem, please bring it to my attention.

Again, thank you to the judges for taking the time to do this.


Judging results:

EricJ
Hey, I just did these each individually, didn't really even take a look at the match ups so I wouldn't be bias

After each name I'll have 3 numbers, 1st is Use of theme (5 points), 2nd is technical merit (5 points), 3rd is overall (10 points)

Lead Asbestos - 2, 3, 5
cdukino - 4, 4, 7
Skya - 4, 4, 7
Jubilee - 3, 4, 8
r2 j1 - 5, 4, 7
Duende - 2, 3, 5
james9487 - 4, 3, 6
greenstuff - 4, 4, 6
tyneth - 4, 3, 5
the masses - 3, 3, 5
vincegamer - 5, 4, 9

RITUAL
Ok here goes... (I added some brief explanations of my grades as well, in most cases)

I did use hal points on the 0-5 intervals. I hope that is OK. I did that because I had problems with being fair otherwise.

vincegamer

theme: 4
Some technical flaws and not great photos, but a very effective use of metallic paints to create an interesting and powerful look

technique/creativity: 3.5
Pretty basic technical execution, but the smoke is a nice touch and the steam engine really looks hot

overall: 7

TheMasses

theme: 3
Pretty good metallics although a bit plain

technique/creativity: 3
Smooth painting, but somewhat plain and simple (especially the base)

overall: 6

Tyneth

theme: 3
The photos are a bit too dark and the metal comes out as rather plain looking.

technique/creativity: 3
Good work alltogether, but rather plain and simple

overall: 5

green stuff

theme: 4
The photos are too dark, but I can still see lot's of weathering effects and I like the chipped paint with metal showing on the base

technique/creativity: 3.5
Difficult choice here... there seems to be a lot of nice details and such here, but it's hard to see clearly in the photos

overall: 7

james9487

theme: 3.5
Some parts are really well done, whereas some are slightly rougher.

technique/creativity: 3
Pretty basic techniques. I would have liked to see more angles.

overall: 7
Much due to excellent colour scheme and colour treatment

Duende

theme: 2
The metallics are a bit flat and in some places blotchy, but still not too bad

technique/creativity: 3
The excellent yellow cloak and the good looking hair compensates for the flaws on the metallics

overall: 5

r2-j1

theme: 5
Excellent use of weathering to create an interesting piece that is all metallics

technique/creativity: 4
The metallic technique is excellent, but the mini doesn't show much else besides that

overall: 8

Jubilee

theme: 3
The metallics look good, but almost disappear among all the strong surrounding colours

technique/creativity: 4.5
Masterful blending, exquisite face, unusual base... lot's of interesting things here

overall: 8

Skya

theme: 5
Maybe not technically perfect, but a truly original and still very well executed idea of how to incorporate the theme

technique/creativity: 4
The idea with the metallic scales is great and the overall technical execution is very good. The base is a bit plain perhaps.

overall: 9

cdukino

theme: 4
Great looking metals all over. The slight weathering looks very life-like.

technique/creativity: 3.5
Mainly the lack of reflections from the torch and the 'solid' look of the flames keeps this down a bit.

overall: 7

LeadAsbestos

theme: 1.5
The metallics are really flat! In fact, I wouldn't think they were metallics if I didn't know. They are also a bit rough.

technique/creativity: 2
Most areas lack depth. The hair is nice, though.

overall: 4

Frustrated Father

Vincegamer:
Use of THEME INGREDIENT..... 0-5 points : 5
Technical Quality/difficulty........0-5 points : 4
Overall Asthetic.......................0-10 points : 8


The Masses:
Use of THEME INGREDIENT..... 0-5 points : 2
Technical Quality/difficulty........0-5 points : 3
Overall Asthetic.......................0-10 points : 6


Tyneth:
Use of THEME INGREDIENT..... 0-5 points : 5
Technical Quality/difficulty........0-5 points : 4
Overall Asthetic.......................0-10 points : 7


greenstuff:
Use of THEME INGREDIENT..... 0-5 points : 4
Technical Quality/difficulty........0-5 points : 3
Overall Asthetic.......................0-10 points : 6


james9487:
Use of THEME INGREDIENT..... 0-5 points : 4
Technical Quality/difficulty........0-5 points : 4
Overall Asthetic.......................0-10 points : 8


Duende:
Use of THEME INGREDIENT..... 0-5 points : 3
Technical Quality/difficulty........0-5 points : 3
Overall Asthetic.......................0-10 points : 6


r2-j1:
Use of THEME INGREDIENT..... 0-5 points : 5
Technical Quality/difficulty........0-5 points : 4
Overall Asthetic.......................0-10 points : 8


Jubilee:
Use of THEME INGREDIENT..... 0-5 points : 3
Technical Quality/difficulty........0-5 points : 3
Overall Asthetic.......................0-10 points : 6


Skya:
Use of THEME INGREDIENT..... 0-5 points : 4
Technical Quality/difficulty........0-5 points : 5
Overall Asthetic.......................0-10 points : 8


Cindy:
Use of THEME INGREDIENT..... 0-5 points : 5
Technical Quality/difficulty........0-5 points : 4
Overall Asthetic.......................0-10 points : 8


LeadAsbestos:
Use of THEME INGREDIENT..... 0-5 points : 2
Technical Quality/difficulty........0-5 points : 3
Overall Asthetic.......................0-10 points : 6

[Ritual]

Wheee! Nice to see I'm the lowest scorer of the winners :(

Cheer up, Michelle! The operative word here is "winners"! :thumb:

A big congratulations to all the winners! I'm looking forward to seeing the round two entries!

[vincegamer]

I'd like to thank my mom, and my beautiful wife, and...
Ack! you mean I have to do it again?

Seriously though, thanks to all the judges for doing this and for all the participants for making it interesting, and to Supervike for creating this thing from whole cloth.

Maybe I will manage to get the second one done in time to do the photos right.

[supervike]

ding ding...

The round two matchups have been randomly decided. (i put all the names in a bucket and drew them in pairs)

HERE ARE THE MATCHUPS:


SKYA vs. DUENDE


VINCEGAMER vs. TYNETH


R2-J1 vs. JUBILEE


and the THEME INGREDIENT is OBJECT SOURCE LIGHTING

(don't blame me, that was random as well. I put 10 different techniques and ideas into the bucket and out it came)

Rules are the same as before. You can submit your finished picture into the STAND OFF Gallery anytime from now until Saturday MAY 20th 6pm CST.

Judging will be the same, using the same three fellows. Feel free to smack talk, taunt, or whine on this forum. WIP pics are fun but not necessary.

The winners of this round will go to OUR FINAL THREE WAY FIGHT. Also, this round has an entry fee of a miniature (or 5 dollars paypal) If you lose, you will be responsible to send the 'fee' to your victor.


Good luck and play fair.

[Ritual]

Whooa!!! Difficult theme this time! This should be interesting.

[r2-j1]

Wow I feel, very lucky. I think had greenstuff had a better photo I would be on the other end.

Now I'm on pins about the next theme. I was lucky in the last round on it, but I have a sinking feeling it won't happen again.

[green stuff]

Congrats r2-j1 :), you had the the most original mini of us two (sculpt and theme(paint job)).

Good luck for round two ;).

[r2-j1]

Arrrrrrgggggg! OSL! I'm dead meat. Never done it, so now I have to learn quick.

Plus Vs Jubilee, this one will be rough, but I promise she will actually have a mini to compete against this time.

[supervike]

There is a bit of a step by step tutorial on the CMoN site. It may be worth a look for inspiration or just a plain 'how-to'

http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=12630&page=1

[EricJ]

we could score with .5's! oh, that changes everything (well not really)

but it looks like we were all fairly consistent in our voting really :)

OSL, wow, hard theme, especially to pull of well in 2 weeks. Somehow I have a feeling we may see people use the WIP option a bit more this time around. There is lots of helpful and knowledgeable people around on the use of OSL, so feel free to ask!

Congratulations to all the winners! 2nd round! the finals are just around the corner.

[vincegamer]

ding ding...and the THEME INGREDIENT is OBJECT SOURCE LIGHTINGCrud!
Well, there's a first time for everything I guess.
I think I know what mini to use, but I'll dig through the mounds of lead tonight just to be sure.

[Frustrated Father]

Congratulations to everyone and sorry that I was the last one in to get everything done, busy life but a bit of beer and a box of cheez-its saw me through!

:D

OSL is going to be a very interesting theme I think which will push some folks in ways they haven't gone as already we've got a couple of 'crap osl! I never did osl!' Best of luck to everyone, special thanks to Jim for having fun with this and to Maya for dropping some goodies on people (btw Jim, you want me to send you a package or send it out from here?)

[cdukino]

:congrats: to Skya. A worthy winner. I had fun competing against her and it sure forced me to do my best (and I'm definatly not unhappy with my point total). To be honest even I think she deserved to win So I :hail: humbly before her and gonna send her a pm to ask for het adress (already know what I'm gonna send, not 5 bucks as I want to do something more personal).

To bad I'm out for the next round concidering the theme in relation with the amount of comments on my lack of OSL in my last entry. But on the other hand maybe good to due to the hard theme and me being away the whole next week (Got a nice holliday in Turky planned to ease the pain of loosing ;) )

We loosers get to send adresses for participationprices?... cool. Didn't expect that.

[Duende]

SKYA vs. DUENDE

and the THEME INGREDIENT is OBJECT SOURCE LIGHTING

Feel free to smack talk, taunt, or whine on this forum.



SKYA!! OSL!!! I'm so hosed... :club:

[r2-j1]

Well I have given it some thought, and I think I have come up with something I can pull off. I think I have the mini I want at home, but I'll have to make sure. I'll defintly post a WIP or two as I go though.

So do we use the same galleries for the second round that we did for the first?

[supervike]

So do we use the same galleries for the second round that we did for the first?

Unless we hear differently from the head honcho, I say Sure!!

[Jabberwocky]

Congratulations to the winners!! Well done by one and all.

Thanks to everyone that has participated as well as the judges, Supervike, and Valloa. I have really enjoyed this contest!

[TheMasses]

Congratulations Tyneth, I bow to your superiority. :hail: I’d like to believe that I didn’t lose but Tyneth won. How’s that for rationalization.

To the judges – thanks for nothing, except for Ritual of course. :aetsch: ;)


Just kidding. I appreciate your feedback and taking the time to give it. :cheer2:

I’ll pm Tyneth shortly.

[LeadAsbestos]

It's really tough being an unrecognized genius... :bird: :bootyshak :vb_tongue

So I threw myself down the stairs to feel better, and now I can say Congrats! to the winners! I think I could manage to score even lower on OSL than I did on this one, and that would really be an accomplishment.

Is there a special prize for Shittiest Entry/Lowest Score/Enemy to Paintsnobs Everywhere? All I can say is...

I'll be back, and then I'll show you all! :nutkick: :soapbox: :slap:
And your little dog too!

[Frustrated Father]

At least he was a good sport about it ...


:peep:

[LeadAsbestos]

:rolleyes:

:)

[vincegamer]

So does the next round of trash talk begin?

My OSL will be so sharp you won't look at it for fear of cutting yourself! :rockon:

[EricJ]

So how are people doing on this one? Anyone get started in this first weekend? I'm looking forward to this round honestly, I think OSL is a lot of fun :)

[Duende]

I think OSL is a lot of fun :)

Maybe in SOME people's opinions!

I've only gotten as far as thinking of an idea and picking a mini.... :tongue2:

[r2-j1]

I got my project all planned, cleaned and primed this weekend. I put some WIP shots in the gallery if your curious. I'll start proper painting tonight. I'm starting to get a bit excited about this project, it should be interesting, and is defintly a new challange.

[EricJ]

Maybe in SOME people's opinions!

I've only gotten as far as thinking of an idea and picking a mini.... :tongue2:


Aww it is fun! so many possibilities :)

Remember, don't get too distracted by color, it's really the differences in brightness and contrast that make the osl pop off the page, the color of the light is sort of an afterthought I think :)

[Ritual]

Yes, Eric is right! In fact, it's a common mistake that people often do when trying out OSL that they focus completely on colour shifts and forget about the L in OSL, the LIGHTING! The lit areas must be brighter than the unlit areas, otherwise the illusion doesn't work. The colour thing is an additional effect, and there you must take the physics into consideration... What colour is the area subjected to the light and what colours of light does it reflect? This can be tricky, so the best thing is to focus on the lighting bit and take it a little bit easy with the colour shifts.

[EricJ]

I like to call it the paint balloon effect- When someone focuses only on the color shift and not on tone and brightness. Instead of a light source, it looks more like a paint balloon exploded where their light source was supposed to be, spraying paint outwards, rather than light.

Avoid the paint balloon effect!

[Frustrated Father]

These two jokers know what they're about. Me - haven't a damn clue, but I'll judge all of you harshly anyhow.

:D

[EricJ]

These two jokers know what they're about. Me - haven't a damn clue, but I'll judge all of you harshly anyhow.

:D

Oh, I can be harsh, I think my baseline (ie all 1's) for judging will be Ramos (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/EricJ/Painting/Ramos-fi