IP V ROUND 3 MATCHUP and THEME!

[supervike]

Hello Paint fans!!

We are moving on fast and furious here!!!


Round Three of the marathon that is Iron Painter is here!!

Twelve contestants remain: Only Six will survive!

It was a great round last time, with some surprises and some folks starting to distance themselves from the pack.

Right to the Matchups:


These are chosen, as always by a random generator over at the fine folks at random.com providing randomness randomly to random world. (that seemed random)

LavronYor Vs. Morf
Lukhan Sanath vs. BrushMistress
CommanderY vs Bexley
Thryth vs. Moavoamoatu
Ben$quig vs. Painting Ploddy
Thunderhawkerminis vs Darklord

The THEME:

BAD TO THE BONE!

How you interpret this theme is up to you! Judges like creativity!


The DEADLINE:

Sunday June 8th at 6pm CST (my time, look it up)

Morf seemed a bit overshadowed last round, despite advancing. Will he return to his high scoring ways against crowd favorite LavronYor.

Thunderhawkerminis gets a second chance, can DarkLord ruin it for him?

Ben$quig and PaintingPloddy...is this a battle from Down Under?

Thryth thinks he is cursed...he's made it this far before, only to be beaten by the eventual overall winner. Will The Iron Harbinger return? He faces a very high scoring Moavoamoatu this time!

In what could be the matchup of the season, two talented opponents face off. CommanderY, despite being a rookie to Iron Painter is holding his own. Bexley is no pushover, and seems to improve every round. This one should be dynamite!

Lukhan Sanath can be a hero to all of mankind, provided he can stop the last woman Iron Painter this round. A woman has always won the crown, is destiny paving the way for Brushmistress?

All these intriguing, and somewhat overblown dramatic scenarios will be answered in the THIRD round of this Incredible Season.

Which Begins:


NOW!!!

[Darklord]

ah my fellow WAMP friend, i just new it. and another music theme

[LavronYor]

You hear that, I'm a crowd favorite. Sorry Morf but you will go from a bit overshadowed to total eclipse ( of the heart ).

[Moavoamoatu]

Yep a song theme once again.

[Morf]

Lovely.
Sarcasm On: I'll paint a unit of skeletons with "Bad" on their shields. I wonder how should I represent "to the". Any ideas?

[Morf]

You hear that, I'm a crowd favorite. Sorry Morf but you will go from a bit overshadowed to total eclipse ( of the heart ).

At this point, thank several people for demotivating me.
But don't really count on anything. If I decide to paint something two days before the deadline, it will be still enough to beat your 14 days x 24 hours worth of paintjob. ;)

You say crowd favorite. I read ass licker.

[ThunderhawkerMinis]

Ah DL. Looks like I still get this round off. Due on the 8th? Right gotta remember to hit the mini store on the 7th so I can Krush you. (You see what I did there?)

[LavronYor]

I'm sure you meant Kicker :-)

but if it is any consolation, I can come in first and you can get the give me another chance prize so that we both advance again.

as for to the do it twice.....

[Morf]

I'm sure you meant Kicker :-)

but if it is any consolation, I can come in first and you can get the give me another chance prize so that we both advance again.

as for to the do it twice.....

You gotta count on two people from one pair to DNF for this to happen.
I guess the odds of beating me are still lower for you, Crowd Fav!

[Bexley]

If I paint badly, will that increase my score in theme?

[Moavoamoatu]

It's a nightmare : I have 4 ideas and I can't choose.....

[ThunderhawkerMinis]

I've got my idea, and I actually have some time this time.

[Moavoamoatu]

I've got my idea, and I actually have some time this time.

The opposite for me this time.....I am too busy and I have too many ideas.

[Paintingploddy]

Victoria v South Australia, sounds like we have a proper State of origin competition on our hands.

[v22TTC]

Morf: I have to say that I, and most of the people I've spoken to who have been following this, was/were pretty confused by the theme scoring for the first Round - didn't really seem in keeping with previous IP Seasons.

Being social creatures, I guess it's mostly down to the consensus of interpretations overall - whether the majority went for literal and addressing all parts of the theme title or more simple, or abstract.

But, as the numbers decrease, consensus will give way to individuality a bit more - and at this stage everybody here has `proven themselves' so they'll receive a little more leeway.

I guess just don't start doing anything whilst feeling demotivated and then produce something that you think's dope that you'll be proud of and enjoy doing - you'll go loopy trying to second-guess other people....

Best of luck Dude!

[Thryth]

Interesting theme.

Paired against Moavoamoatu! That's interesting (and scarey ;) ). Means that some streak has to be broken. Either the person that defeats me in round 3 will not be the IP champ, and/or a first male winner for this IP. Something will change this IP! :)

@Supervike Thanks for the use of my new title, very amusing. :D

@Moavoamoatu Well, I know that you can do better than me when you only have one day, and I have over a week (see Golden Chef 2008), so I wouldn't worry about your abundance of ideas, or compressed time. I will not be able to even think of starting this until a week from now, and I have several events taking my time after that. I think that I'm going to be crushed this round. :( You might as well send me your address, and suggestions for miniatures that you are interested in.

Well, it was a fun IP, I can't complain about getting to round three again. :)

[Bexley]

Curses!

I was going to do something with Sophet Drahas, thinking he was skeletal. But then I got home, and discovered that he's more zombie/mummy than skeleton. Then I got a second idea, but it seems I left that figure at work.

Grr. I wanted to get started tonight, to.

[Darklord]

I've got my idea, and I actually have some time this time.


it aint how much time you have, its what you do with it!

give you your dues i will have to raise my game a bit this round (noticed i said a bit)

[Moavoamoatu]

Interesting theme.

Paired against Moavoamoatu! That's interesting (and scarey ;) ).

I think that I'm going to be crushed this round. :( You might as well send me your address, and suggestions for miniatures that you are interested in.



You are a very good painter Stan so you don't have to worry but I have to. I think I will go for something different this time : I can't find skeletal goblins :)

BTW I have 2 ideas left and if I have time I will post both : one for the third IP round and the other one in the "I think I can" gallery, just for fun. But time is my ennemy this time as I work on a time consuming project since one week and I have another painting contest ending in one month.

Good luck to all painters.

[Brushmistress]

I've got an idea, and the minis to do it ( I think). Now I'm just going to fight the Games
Day time crunch to get in it!

[Moavoamoatu]

Which miniature Milady ?

[Ritual]

it aint how much time you have, its what you do with it!

give you your dues i will have to raise my game a bit this round (noticed i said a bit)

Are we going to see what happens when Mr. Goblin finally comes home for this round? I think you could make that fit the theme. :vb_devil:

[Paintingploddy]

I've got my idea sorted. Nice and simple, just one figure. Now i just need to figure out how to make him shine.

[Commander Y]

If I paint badly, will that increase my score in theme?

"If?"

:vb_devil:

[Commander Y]

Hmmm... Spy vs. Y.
I like it.

Of all the song themes to come up with that can totally screw my plans of doing Trollbloods every round... Sigh.

I've got an idea or two - I'll let the theme marinate over the long weekend, and come to some sort of decision by Tuesday, when it's time to get back to work.

Meanwhile - Cookouts and Beer.

[Bexley]

Well, I have my idea, and I have the minis. My only obstacle is not starting the day before the deadline, which I think I very much have to accomplish if I'm to have a shot.

[HamishMcGreigh]

Next time you do this, Supervike, you should do an odds sheet for the first round, like in the NCAA March Madness Tournament, so that non-participants can try to predict the way the rounds go and maybe win something if they're the closest.

And Commander Y, watch out for Bexley. To paraphrase Davish Krail (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Davish_Krail) :"He came from behind!"

[Bexley]

Especially since my entry will also be a tribute to a local legend who passed away yesterday. I can't fail; Satan's on my side this round.

[Moavoamoatu]

Of all the song themes to come up with that can totally screw my plans of doing Trollbloods every round... Sigh.


Same for me with orcs and goblins....

[Morf]

I had a several ideas:

- undead pirates on the beach smashing sand castles and killing jellyfish
or
- an evil mastermind building a toy house of bones

but decided to do something very simple. And so literal it hurts me.
Anyway, at least I'll have another miniature for my army painted.

[Brushmistress]

Which miniature Milady ?

All I'm going to say is I'm going for something a little more gory than my usual style...

[LavronYor]

I thought my entry last round would have been bad to the bone as the Bone jack was getting torched. Now I can't decide if I want something that is being Bad to the bone, as in good guy beating up on bones or something totally evil that is rotten to the core, or Bad to the bone?

[Commander Y]

And Commander Y, watch out for Bexley. To paraphrase Davish Krail (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Davish_Krail) :"He came from behind!"

Thanks for the warning - I'll bring a towel!

[Darklord]

Are we going to see what happens when Mr. Goblin finally comes home for this round? I think you could make that fit the theme. :vb_devil:

as a matter of fact he will be making an appearance in this one yes!

[Morf]

It's all so quiet.... I've constructed the base and painted most of the central figure's body. Still lots to go.

[Darklord]

a little too quiet!! about half way through mine now. supposed to be doing something else but as it hasnt arrived yet i get a little more precious time on this

[Moavoamoatu]

I didn't begin at all.....

[waghorn41]

My entry is almost done. Spent a couple of hours last night and just a little finishing off to do. Ok, ok I know I'm not in round 3 but it was suggested I put something in 'I think I can'.

But what does that really mean?

I think I can:
impress the judges
fail again
score even lower than 25
continue having fun

....probably three out of four :D

Seriously though, when my pic is up take a break from all your hard work and have a good laugh. I think you'll wish you had me as an opponent for an east win, I know it's getting tough on an even higher standard.

And Nathan, thanks for an absolutely brilliant contest and site.

Good luck everyone and have fun, I've had more than my share in IP5!

[supervike]

It was quiet....too quiet.

The warriors of Iron had drawn back from thier victories of the second round. Some say they were licking thier wounds, gathering their strength, trying to scout the opponent.

But, the wiley veterans of the campaign knew they were biding their time, setting traps, lulling each other into a false sense of security. This next battle wouldn't decide the war, but only the victors will continue to fight another day.

The fire had taken much out of the combantants. Some rose above the flames, some walked through unscathed, but some were scarred by that round. They would all have to dig as deep as the very bones of the earth to find the strength to continue the long march.




*man, that high school level creative writing class my daughter is in is putting me in a strange mood!

[Frustrated Father]

That was pretty damn good. :D

Me, I figure they are all pansies.

[Commander Y]

The main model - bigger than the Cry Baby Troll, in fact - is built, filled, primed, base coated and shade-washed. I hope to knock a significant portion of him out today - but the major components of the base are still being harvested - some are winging their way cross country (thanks LadyEyes and Angel of Menoth!).

And it's definitely buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-Bad. As in good. As in... wait. What?

[supervike]

And it's definitely buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-Bad. As in good. As in... wait. What?


Ah, yeah, you lost me too....:laugh:

[LavronYor]

Pansies? we're not Pansies, Daisies maybe, but definitely not Pansies....

[waghorn41]

A fairly poor photo of my 'I think I can' entry is up for general merriment. Go on, relieve the stress with a good laugh.

[Morf]

A fairly poor photo of my 'I think I can' entry is up for general merriment. Go on, relieve the stress with a good laugh.

My company does 'Restore belief in yourself' trainings. I could give you a discount.

[Brushmistress]

That was pretty damn good. :D

Me, I figure they are all pansies.

I am so not a pansy. I am trying to paint three Games Day entries and an IP entry in the next week and a half. Not pansyish at all! (Though at this point I may be lucky to finish 1 and a half things....):banghead:

By the way - is it a competition sickness that I have waited until the last possible moment to even consider GD? I reserved the hotel room 6 months ago, but just picked up a brush this morning....Anyone else have this problem?

[Ritual]

By the way - is it a competition sickness that I have waited until the last possible moment to even consider GD? I reserved the hotel room 6 months ago, but just picked up a brush this morning....Anyone else have this problem?

Always! :(

[waghorn41]

My company does 'Restore belief in yourself' trainings. I could give you a discount.

They'd all need to see a shrink after a session with me :laugh:

[Moavoamoatu]

Me, I figure they are all pansies.

A new word for me...

Main Entry: 1pan·sy http://www.merriam-webster.com/images/audio.gif (javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?pansy001.wav=pansy')) Pronunciation: \ˈpan-zē\ Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural pansies Etymology: Middle English pancy, pensee, from Middle French pensée, from pensée thought, from feminine of pensé, past participle of penser to think, from Latin pensare to ponder — more at pensive (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pensive) Date: 15th century 1: a garden plant (Viola wittrockiana) derived chiefly from the hybridization of the European Johnny-jump-up (Viola tricolor) with other wild violets; also : its flower2 ausually disparaging : a weak or effeminate man or boy busually disparaging : a male homosexual


I am not a garden plant nor a male homosexual.....just busy with wood pieces.... ;-) May I get a bonus for IP Nathan ???

[Moavoamoatu]

A fairly poor photo of my 'I think I can' entry is up for general merriment. Go on, relieve the stress with a good laugh.


Clever idea but a blurry photo and a green background( ( for special effects may be like in movies) don't help.

[v22TTC]

Moavoamoatu: You've let me down dude - I've been away for a few days and was looking forward to your finished entry tonight. ;)

My mate was talking about how much he loved your entries yesterday - humour, style, talent....

"Yeah, he's French."

"Well that'll be why then...." ;)

[Moavoamoatu]

@v22TTC thanks a lot. I hope your mate won't be disappointed this round but I might post at the deadline this time as I am very busy.

[LavronYor]

Don't feel bad Brushmistress, I too am thinking about a GD entry and it is in 16 days.
Now, can I do the two together?

[waghorn41]

Just changed the photo of my 'I think I can', unfortunately the dragon toppled but at least it's much sharper/clearer now and with a white background.

[Thryth]

I didn't begin at all.....

Me either. :O

[Moavoamoatu]

Me either. :O

We will both DNF....:ahhhhh:

[Moavoamoatu]

Just changed the photo of my 'I think I can', unfortunately the dragon toppled but at least it's much sharper/clearer now and with a white background.

That's far better now. Great idea.

[demonherald]

well the smack talk always seems to drop down at this point but the self pitying moaning and griping approach could just be a way for all to try and lull there opponents into a false sense of security....or we could get a full round of DNF's then we judges can rest as well......
good luck all I am gld I ain't in this IP ..song themes distract me too much ..I keep hearing the song in my head and try different ideas for each line or verse then get absolutely nothing done......

[Bexley]

Figures are assembled and washed. Tomorrow morning I'll prime 'em, and then start painting after work.

[Moavoamoatu]

I am washed....... ;-)

[Commander Y]

Figures are assembled and washed. Tomorrow morning I'll prime 'em, and then start painting after work.

Really? You're actually going to try? Poor chap. Why bother?

(I thought my opponents were just supposed to DNF on me? Like Vee-Tutu?)

[Moavoamoatu]

I will DNF...when I die !!!!!

[v22TTC]

Commander Y: There was no DNF by my name in the scores... though, admitedly it wasn't Fd by any measure... except Fd up (that's fed up, kids!). ;)

Spanish sweetness zooming your way as we `speak'... well hopefully anyway.... `A few days,' I'm assured.

[Thryth]

I will DNF...when I die !!!!!
Well, that's a bit harsh. I could see me DNF'ing this round. I just got back from vacation, only have one idea, and do not have a piece that I need for it. Oh, and I have an in-law here for the next ~2 1/2 weeks. I'll see what I can do, though.

[v22TTC]

Well, that's a bit harsh.

It's defo the right spirit though!

[Moavoamoatu]

Well, that's a bit harsh. I could see me DNF'ing this round. I just got back from vacation, only have one idea, and do not have a piece that I need for it. Oh, and I have an in-law here for the next ~2 1/2 weeks. I'll see what I can do, though.

Don't worry, I only started the base yesterday and we still have 8 days. Just do like me change the miniatures.

[Paintingploddy]

Base done, figure ready - now what did I miss?

[Ritual]

Well, that's a bit harsh. I could see me DNF'ing this round. I just got back from vacation, only have one idea, and do not have a piece that I need for it. Oh, and I have an in-law here for the next ~2 1/2 weeks. I'll see what I can do, though.

Just paint a mean looking mini. Never mind if it's not the best theme interpretation... better than DNFing!

[Thryth]

Just paint a mean looking mini. Never mind if it's not the best theme interpretation... better than DNFing!

Thanks for the advice. I wanted to create a small diorama with Sebastian, Rasputina's side kick, and some other pieces, but maybe I'll just start with Sebastian and see how it goes.

[Moavoamoatu]

All is quiet here. So I decided to boost this thread : I posted my entry !!!! For once I am the first to post. I had to rush as I have many other things to do. I painted the miniatures and the base in 12 hours.

Sorry the photos are not too good because my camera is a bit old (5 years already and a crappy macro mode). I should buy a new one this week. I might post new photos later on if I can buy this new camera.

I might also post an alternative entry just for fun if I have time and if I receive the miniature from USA this week (it's one of my other ideas for this round).

As you can see, no goblins or orcs this time as I could not find goblins or orcs zombies or skeletons. I just found some yesterday from a german company but it was too late to order them.

I had many ideas for this round but I decided to use Thanis the bonecaller from Reaper as I had it in my collection (I kept it for the rotten harvest contest).

I am looking forward to see your entries mates.;)

[demonherald]

go Mo! go Mo! go mo!.....
nice jb and just noticed the remarkable similarity of our signature lines.....

[Thryth]

Nice work Moavoamoatu. I would really like to see you paint, I could use the pointers. I can't imagine how you get so much fine work done so quickly.


I'm counting on you to win this Iron Painter after you knock me out of this round.

[Moavoamoatu]

Nice work Moavoamoatu. I would really like to see you paint, I could use the pointers. I can't imagine how you get so much fine work done so quickly.

I'm counting on you to win this Iron Painter after you knock me out of this round.

I took painting lessons twice with Rackham painters...it helps learning new techniques.
I always paint fast and normally I don't spend more than 5 hours on a single miniature. Don't think you are not a good painter, I really liked your chef entry and the others too. You are even better than me with NMM.

It's only round 3 so winning is still far.....

[Thryth]

I took painting lessons twice with Rackham painters...it helps learning new techniques.
I always paint fast and normally I don't spend more than 5 hours on a single miniature. Don't think you are not a good painter, I really liked your chef entry and the others too. You are even better than me with NMM.

It's only round 3 so winning is still far.....

Unfortunately:


I don't know anyone else that paints, so I don't really get to see better techniques (I saw a few people paint at GenCon 40, and I saw the first Miniature Mentor video, but that's it)
It takes me around 20 hours per miniature. 5 hours per would be fantastic, I would actually get something done! :)

Any suggestions on speeding-up my painting?

Thanks for the complements. I think that my painting is a bit hit-and-miss, but never great. :(

[Moavoamoatu]

Stan, I paint since 23 years and if you could you see my first miniatures you would laugh (I'll post my very first miniature one day). The techniques I learned are the glazes and blending techniques, NMN,... but I also learn a lot from online tutorials.

Here is a french tutorial for instance where you learn step by step : http://haekel.free.fr/spip.php?rubrique5

I paint fast because I paint a lot and I was used to paint armies too....and I use a hair drier lol

Don't think I am a good painter....many painters are far better than me.

[demonherald]

Hey Thryth I consider you a good painter....Although at times I think your your own worst enemy putting yourself down a bit at times before you ebven start.....

Speed comes with practise .I find... A few of the biggest changes occured for me when I started thinking more about techniques and colours and I am currently going through a back to basics phase and developing different techniques but trying to slow myself down for comp entries flex the old paintbrush muscles a bit more than usual...

similar to yourself without the www. there aren't any other painters around of adecent level so I have basically taken each method and technique and done it to the max until I am comfortable with it ..

I'll start a thread with first minis could be fun....so if you have one Moa' then it would be cool to see....

[Bexley]

Hehheh... Babelfish makes that site readable... sort of. On priming:

"For the underlayer, fine pulverizations with the bomb which give to the underlayer a light grain making it possible painting to better hang."

[Wren]

I share your pain, Thryth. I'm not usually completely dissatisfied with my end result, but I get frustrated by the fact that it takes me 20-30 hours to paint a mini most times. It limits how many comps I can enter or how ambitious I can get with entries, and even which minis I paint, since minis with a lot of doodads can add on enough hours to push it past the point of my tolerance. It also means less I can sell for a bit of extra money. (I used to work at a game store part time for a little extra cash, until I realized I was probably spending more than I made because of the discount. ;->)

I've taken classes and watched faster painters paint, but I guess I was set enough in my ways by the time I had the opportunity to do so that changing how I do things is really difficult. After watching Jeremie Teboul paint some terrific stuff in a short space of time at Reaper Con a few weeks ago, I'm back to experimenting with a wet palette, painting base coats first (oh hell of boredom on those days...) and trying to paint using more brush control but fewer transition mixes for blending. After almost two minis finished I think at best I've shaved a couple of hours off my time. (It's hard to tell as on both I had to repaint several sections due to either paint problems or screwed up colour choices.)

I have a lot of respect for people who can paint fast and nicely as Moa does, and I respect army painters, also. It's a different kind of skill and patience, but it's skill and patience all the same. People who can do both fast and nice and slower and amazing I just hate due to bitter jealousy, however. ;->

[Thryth]

@Rob (I hope I got your name right! If not, I apologize): Thanks for the complement. I get very frustrated with how long it takes me to paint. Time is very limited for me, so the difference between 5 hours/miniature versus 20+ hours/miniature would be enormous for me. Not to say that I wouldn't also like to be a better painter. Consistency is also a problem for me. I don't know if good painters always produce great work, or hide the not-so great. I painted Chef and Viktoria to an okay level this year, but then was very disappointed with my Rasputina. (BTW, anyone who would like to offer addition advice on her, please do so. I have to go back and try to improve it, it's just too embarrassing the way it currently is). Thanks again for the complement. :D

@Wren (I don't even think that I know your name, sorry): Exactly, the time issue really makes me feel limited! I saw Jeremie at GenCon 40, and also tried the wet pallet and wet blending on one miniature after that with mixed results. I think that I would have to see him paint again, to try to get it right. He makes it look so easy! I'm still not set technique-wise, I just recently changed. Since Rasputina, I have switched to painting the mid color first (except for skin, I still start with the darkest color), and have tried reducing the number of color transitions. The problem is that I have also made my layers more transparent, so that has eliminated any time savings from the reduce color transitions. Yup, I share that jealousy. ;)

[Morf]

Just my couple cents: I started painting significantly faster upon finding Glaze Medium and/or doing lots of wet blending. The layering is just way too much time.
Also, good paints with good covering cut down the time significantly.

[Moavoamoatu]

@Demonherald : I'll take photos of my first miniature as soon as I can

@Bexley : you are right, priming is very important. The best would be to use an airbrush but I am too lazzy to use it so I use primer sprays. When you use an airbrush you can even undercoat the miniature with the base colour.

@Wren : you are very lucky, I never met JeremieTeboul...and he lives at a few miles from my house...dang !!! He is one of my favourite painters. I might ask him for classes too if he is affordable.

When I took classes with the Rackham painters (both are Jeremie's friends) I discovered how techniques could be different from one painter to another : both are french and spanish Golden Demon winners and they have different styles. They paint very fast for a fantastic result. When you see them painting an awesome and complete NMM armour in a few minutes, for instance, you feel "tiny".

@Wren (again) I always paint all my basecoats first. I even do my lining on the basecoat so I don't mess with other sections (it saves a lot of time). Choosing the painting scheme is very important. When you have to paint a miniature, try to find painted examples of the same miniature on the web to get an idea.

@Thryth : I change my technique depending on the colour I paint but I often start with a mid colour as a basecoat. Then I could go on with shades or highlights depending on the effect I want and I finish with glazes.

I tried a new technique this time with Thanis the bonecaller : both hairs and cape were painted in grey and white (with black shades). I then did glazes of different colours instead of starting with a blue or purple basecoat.

Another example : Usually when I paint red I start with a GW red gore basecoat, I shade with black, dark brown and green (or blue) and make highlights. Now the other technique is to paint a basecoat with a darker red, shade in black and glaze in GW blood red for a terrific shining red done in a few minutes. This technique works with other colours and saves a lot of time.

[supervike]

I fall into the Stan camp too (this one time, at Stan Camp....lol).. As a painter, it takes me an excruciatingly long time to finish a mini. And then I only get mediocre results anyhow.

If I ever do get back into painting, I'm going to have to start learning some more effective techniques....But it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks!

[Brushmistress]

My speed of painting & quality has greatly increased from a seminar with Jeremie (I couldn't make it to the painting class he had last year up north). Just his discussion of color theory and base coating changed my world. I've started using wet pallettes and a size 0 brush. I used to use a 0000, so painting a model could take up to 30 hours. I'm down to 6 or so for a standard mini. Both of my IP entries this go around had about 9 hours of painting put into them.
I've also abandoned glazes and inks almost entirely, and have gone back to GW paints (used to use Vallejo). They have a much better consistency when diluted.

[LavronYor]

Wow, this is some great discussion on speeding up. My two cents will include a short list.

1. Reduce distractions if possible, plan alone work time, for some not so hard, for us parents, it usually means painting after kid's go to bed. Spouses and significant others can hinder this

2. Practice the technique on scrap models if you have eyes to paint on a competition model, then practice painting eyes on 5 high elves or sisters of battle ( both notorious for difficult eyes) the first three may look like crap, but by the fourth or fifth, you should start to have trained your painting muscles so that your competition piece is going to get your improved skill.

3. remember Practice doesn't make perfect, Perfect Practice makes Perfect. That is, don't stop once you get it right, practice a few more after that point, so that the correct way outnumbers the incorrect way. ( As the NFL commercial used to say, Good players practice until they get it right, Great players practice until they can't get it wrong.)

4. Rome wasn't built in a day. Get simple techniques perfect, then work on advanced techniques.

5. Critique can be your best friend. If and most of us do, have a way to video our techniques, then YouTube it, and have better painters see where we go wrong. This is not going to be easy, but will probably be the number one way to end bad painting techniques for us intermediate painters.

I will stop here, but I may have just started the beginnings of a painting article.

Good luck, and Stan, Wren is Rhonda. One of the most improved painters I know.

[Morf]

Yup, totally agree with Mistress. Tiny brushes are good for very few things and they significantly increase the time.

[Thryth]

@Morf: Glaze medium? Would you mind explaining how you use it? Any advice on wet blending?

@Eric: Could you explain how you use glazes? Only the way that you already explained with the Bonecaller, or do you also do something else?

@Brushmistress: Another amazing quality painter, and speedy too! I took a class at GenCon with Jeremie, but something came-up and I had to leave early. Color theory? Base coating? I don't think that he discussed in the class that I was in. I was inspired by his use of a wet pallet and blending, but I think that I'm missing something, as it doesn't work so well for me.

[Wren]

I think Jeremie enjoys teaching and sharing ideas between painters very much. Moa, since you live close to him I would send him a note asking if he'll be teaching any local classes or if he'd be willing to meet with you to teach some time. For those in the US, I believe he's doing some of his intensive three-day seminars on the West Coast later this year, but I don't really know more than that. He's also teaching classes at Gen Con again this year, as is Allan C, another very talented French painter.

He is definitely a painter who keeps evolving and experimenting. He has already changed his style between Gen Con last August and how he was painting at ReaperCon this May. The way he painted in August is described pretty well in this tutorial (http://www.reapermini.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=32050). Now he usually starts with the midtone colour as the base, thinned about 70% water to 30% paint. Three or so coats, wicking up any pooling paint so the coats don't look patchy. He puts a highlight colour on the lightest areas of the mini, and a shadow colour on the darkest areas. Then he uses rapid and large movement brushstrokes and on-the-fly mixes between the colours to soften the transition lines between the colours. He doesn't use a lot of wet blending other than as a side effect of painting so fast. Rather I think it's very good brush control and a using a very tiny amount of paint that lets him achieve the blends. His layering colours are actually thicker than his basecoats, about 50/50 water/paint. His final step is to take a lighter highlight mix and does tiny line and dot highlights at key points to make things pop and draw the viewer's eye where he wants it.

I agree with Brushmistress that hearing him speak about colour is mind-blowing, regardless of what technique you use to apply paint to a mini. It's not his invention, it's based on fine arts principles, just ones we haven't heard about much in the mini world, I guess.

@moa - the technique you used on Thanis sounds a lot like what Eric Louchard calls underpainting (http://www.dragonbloodminis.com/lonebrushman/underpainting.htm). He is able to paint this way pretty quickly. I experimented with it a little, but since I find white, black and gray very challenging to blend smoothly, I didn't think I would save time with this method. The hag I painted for the first Rotten Harvest (http://wyrd-games.net/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=285)was my experiment with this, though that is a pretty bad picture. That was a few years ago, though, so maybe it's time for more experimenting.


Using bigger brushes... I keep trying to do this, but I keep backsliding to my W&N 2/0. The larger ones either flop around or splay (especially when trying to use the tiny amounts of thicker paint instead of my previous dunk into thinner paint and wick off method). I think I'd like a shorter brush tip than the norm, but the W&N Miniature is TOO short. Anyone know of a brush that's shorter the typical W&N regular/Da Vinci Maestro/Escoda but longer than the W&N Mini?


@Wren : you are very lucky, I never met JeremieTeboul...and he lives at a few miles from my house...dang !!! He is one of my favourite painters. I might ask him for classes too if he is affordable.

I tried a new technique this time with Thanis the bonecaller : both hairs and cape were painted in grey and white (with black shades). I then did glazes of different colours instead of starting with a blue or purple basecoat.

[Moavoamoatu]

@Brushmistress : what did Jeremie teach you except wet palette ? And how do you do it ?

@Morf. I agree. I used 2/0 brushes but now I only use size 1 and 2 brushes. With a sharp N° 2 brush you can even paint eyes. I didn't believe it before I tried.

@Thryth : glazes work a bit the same way as washes. First you need a size 1 or 2 brush not a tiny one as you need a water reservoir. You use a drop of paint. You don't dilute it too much. Dip your brush in water, dry it a little on a tissue and then take some paint. To get sure you get a fluid consistency you "brush" (don't find the english name for it, sweep may be) your thumb (yes, on your finger!!!). Then you apply the glaze on the miniature. You don't have much paint and it doesn't flow like a wash. It's time consuming as you have to wait until it dries before applying another glaze. So the best technique I use is "the air drier technique" : just dry the paint with a hair drier and voilà, you are ready for a new glaze and you save a lot of time. I use this technique for NMM, clothes and skin mainly.

I used this technique on the bonecaller for almost all parts except for skeletons.

PS : I painted 2 more miniatures today but not in contest standards.

[Moavoamoatu]

Thanks Wren I'll have a look. I'll also contact Jeremie. He already sent me an email as we share the same french forums and he wanted to greet me for an Alkemy conversion.....but the paint is another story :(

[Brushmistress]

@ Moavoamoatu - do you currently use a wet pallette?- I can't remember if you said you did earlier in the forums. I use a plastic box with nearly sopping wet paper towels covered in parchment paper as a wet pallette.
I picked up pretty quick what Jeremie discussed regarding the application of a mid color as a base coat with the highlights and shadows placed appropriately, then using your base color to smooth the transitions - it made so much sense. He also talked about alternating directions of brush strokes (to aviod streaks more easily), and stressing that a smaller brush does not mean better details and control. You'll actually have a harder time keeping your paint smooth and consistent. A smaller brush holds less paint, and the paint will bead at the point instead of nesting in the bristles and flowing from the point. The freehand I have been able to paint using a 0 Kolisky is so much more detailed and smooth compared to my old 0000 habits. His discussion on colours helped me the most. I had always highlighted using either a lighter shade of the same color or added white. I never considered that a pale yellow (I mix yellow with light grey) would produce realistic and more gentle lighting on a figure. I also now shade using either blues added to my base color or the complimentary color of my base (of course you can't shade adding yellow to purple, but adding dark green to red or blue to orange works wonders). Like Wren mentioned, his colour principle aren't new, but it's an great subject to read up on for mini-painters. It also helps you avoid really horrible color combinations! :D
I also love your entry this round BTW. It does sound like you underpainted the hair. I've tried that, but I have to agree with Wren that I find getting a smooth white to black transition a nightmare.

[Moavoamoatu]

Wren I just saw the miniature you painted for the first Rotten Harvest : is it an autoportrait ???? Just teasing you as I didn't see your photo in the "show your face thread".

[Moavoamoatu]

@Brusmistress : thanks. I don't use a wet palette but I know how to make it. In fact I don't really need a wet palette as long as I paint a single miniature.

I woud like to learn blending. I gave it a try but I am not at my best with it.

Yes I underpainted the hair : black and white and then different higlights of blues (glazes). I also did it on my ninja goblins (IP round 2).

I am always testing new techniques and tonight I will try transparent clothes on a naked women. I just need a model, are you ok ?

Like this : http://www.kraken-editions.com/no_cache/fr/artefactory/boutique/index.html

;-)

[Wren]

lol! I'm a lot fatter and less green than that hag. And my cat is gray with stripes rather than black. Hinton posted a picture of me from Gen Con last year, but I guess it was a different thread. Ah, here it is. (http://wyrd-games.net/showthread.php?t=3043&highlight=gencon) There are pictures of other Wyrdos in that thread, too.

[Bexley]

@Bexley : you are right, priming is very important. The best would be to use an airbrush but I am too lazzy to use it so I use primer sprays. When you use an airbrush you can even undercoat the miniature with the base colour.



Well... yeah. I wasn't posting that because it was new information, I was posting it because of how badly Babelfish translated that passage. I particularly found it funny that it translates the french word for "spray" into "bomb."

[Moavoamoatu]

lol! I'm a lot fatter and less green than that hag. And my cat is gray with stripes rather than black. Hinton posted a picture of me from Gen Con last year, but I guess it was a different thread. Ah, here it is. (http://wyrd-games.net/showthread.php?t=3043&highlight=gencon) There are pictures of other Wyrdos in that thread, too.

Nice to "meet you". You are all lucky to meet each others at these Cons. It would be a bit far for me.

[Brushmistress]

@ moavoamoatu - LOL -are you hitting on me? :-)
I want to try some transparency too. I'm going to give it a go on a Tom Meier mini, which might drive me crazy (they are so tiny...). That Kraken model is the one that Jeremie taught transparency painting with at Reapercon this year (at least I think it is).

[Moavoamoatu]

Well... yeah. I wasn't posting that because it was new information, I was posting it because of how badly Babelfish translated that passage. I particularly found it funny that it translates the french word for "spray" into "bomb."

In french we say "bombe de peinture" so litterally "paint bomb" and not paint spray.... it might explode may be.

[Moavoamoatu]

@ moavoamoatu - LOL -are you hitting on me? :-)
I want to try some transparency too. I'm going to give it a go on a Tom Meier mini, which might drive me crazy (they are so tiny...). That Kraken model is the one that Jeremie taught transparency painting with at Reapercon this year (at least I think it is).

Jeremie painted the Arte Factory miniature so I guess so. I don't know how to paint transparency so I'll try with glazes over a skin colour....it might be a disaster...I'll post it when I am done.

Hitting on you ? Why not if you look like the Freebooter vampiress....it will be bloody ;-)

[Brushmistress]

@ moavoamoatu- you can find my pic on page 28 of the "Show Your Face" thread. I've got the VERY red hair.
And I look forward to seeing the complete mini!

[Moavoamoatu]

@Brushmistress : what is the painting technique for such red hair ? ;-)

[Brushmistress]

:D Lots of glaze....

[Moavoamoatu]

@ moavoamoatu- you can find my pic on page 28 of the "Show Your Face" thread. I've got the VERY red hair.
And I look forward to seeing the complete mini!


I posted a new pic too in the show your face thread...just call me Bruce.

[Bexley]

Is Kraken/Alkemy relatively new? A box set mysteriously showed up on my desk after lunch today. But it's all in French, so I can't decipher any of it. It's got dice and a rule book. I like the figures, byt they don't seem to be part of any coherent force. Well, two of them look like they're from the same unit. I don't know if it's a starter with figs from two factions or just a ragtag group. The text that seems to be indentifying it reads "Royaume d'Avalon".

[goblyn13]

Is Kraken/Alkemy relatively new? A box set mysteriously showed up on my desk after lunch today. But it's all in French, so I can't decipher any of it. It's got dice and a rule book. I like the figures, byt they don't seem to be part of any coherent force. Well, two of them look like they're from the same unit. I don't know if it's a starter with figs from two factions or just a ragtag group. The text that seems to be indentifying it reads "Royaume d'Avalon".

Its been buidling up for some time, however the first wave of minis was released in te last 2-3 months. Ifs a french game and the box would be a starter box.

English downloads are here: http://www.kraken-editions.com/en/alkemy/downloads/index.html

[Moavoamoatu]

Is Kraken/Alkemy relatively new? A box set mysteriously showed up on my desk after lunch today. But it's all in French, so I can't decipher any of it. It's got dice and a rule book. I like the figures, byt they don't seem to be part of any coherent force. Well, two of them look like they're from the same unit. I don't know if it's a starter with figs from two factions or just a ragtag group. The text that seems to be indentifying it reads "Royaume d'Avalon".

Alkemy is a french game launched in France in february 2008. The basic starters consist of 4 boxes of 5 miniatures each : Aurlok nation, Khaliman republic, Jade Triad and Kingdom of Avalon. You must have this last box.

The second wave of miniatures (3 for each faction) was released in France two weeks ago.

You can play with one starter box as long as you have a second box for your opponent of course. A starter box represents about 160 points (in game terms) and you can play up to 300 points per game.

You can find the english version of Alkemy website here :

http://www.kraken-editions.com/en/alkemy/presentation/index.html

You can download rules and game cards in english for free.

It's a really nice game and I like it a lot.

Here is what I have done for Alkemy so far (I have all miniatures except Kingdom of Avalon). I couldn't paint more miniatures because of IP contest and other stuff...

Some of my painted miniatures :

http://alkemy.webkido.com/index.php?topic=401.0

http://alkemy.webkido.com/index.php?topic=466.0

My tabletop :

http://alkemy.webkido.com/index.php?topic=407.0

[Duzzdan]

I love that tabletop moa, gonna have to steal alot of those ideas :vb_devil:

[Bexley]

I'd heard rumors that people actually play games with miniatures. Weirdos. :p:

[Morf]

@Morf: Glaze medium? Would you mind explaining how you use it? Any advice on wet blending?



I use Vallejo Glaze Medium. This milky stuff is perfect for several things.

1. First and foremost, it immensly helps fast blending. In many cases, I apply the base coat and mix medium with white (or any highlight color) and gently apply it to the base coat. Medium's job is not only to make the highlight smooth. It also melts the previous layer letting the highlight and the basecoat "bond" on the chemical level, creating very smooth highlights.

2. It's great for all semi-transparent effects like OSL. Also, if i go to far with highlight, I sometimes apply the basic color with lots of Medium to bring back the color without obscuring the highlight. In my next entry for IP, I used a lot of Medium to gently introduce violets to the overall grey skin hue.

Awesome stuff, try it out.

PS: I love the way this thread is going. No smack talk, lot of great hints and advices.

[Moavoamoatu]

@Brushmistress and the others who are interested

As I told you yesterday I gave it a try to transparent effects on a dress. I was really impressed by the ones done by Jérémie Teboul and Marieke Reimer. I painted it on a beige-white dress as this miniature is supposed to represent my character in Earthdawn RPG. It would be better to make a transparent effect on a darker dress (blue, red, purple,...).

I rushed this miniature a bit as I am very busy for now and I painted it in 2 hours.

Here it is :

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm165/moavoa/Sorceress.jpg

Comments and criticism are welcome.

PS : like you Morf, I love the way this thread is going. No smack talk, lot of great hints and advices. Happy birthday BTW.

[Morf]

Moa, your character must have the special skill "Getting laid +5" or at least that's the way it looks like ;)

[Moavoamoatu]

Moa, your character must have the special skill "Getting laid +5" or at least that's the way it looks like ;)

What do you mean ?? I didn't get it, sorry.

[Wren]

Where's Lavron, he's always asking for people to paint transparent tops on pretty minis, he should be all over this one that moa's done! I like the transparent effect on the front, but on the back I think the cloth should look more transparent where it rests on top of her buttocks. I'm working on something transparent too, but it's not quite done.

I had forgot to mention this when we were talking about Jeremie and different techniques earlier in the thread, but he's putting out a DVD (http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=27144). I like most of the Alkemy stuff. The Kingdom of Avalon is probably my least favourite of the factions. Kraken is putting out some nice non-gaming stuff, too.

Morf - is there any chance you could get into more detail or snap of couple of pics of how to use the glaze medium for fast blending? (On a day that's not your birthday, of course.) I got some a little while back but I've just been letting it sit there...

[Moavoamoatu]

@Wren : you wrote "but on the back I think the cloth should look more transparent"...but I didn't do transparency on the back lol....I hesitated as it was only a test.

I agree, Kingdom of Avalon is my least favourite too and I didn't buy it. It's too close from common miniatures such as Confrontation or Reaper. The other factions are different from what we usually see.

[Commander Y]

PS: I love the way this thread is going. No smack talk, lot of great hints and advices.

Well, I tried to get some smack talk going, but Mr. Bexley was having none of it.

Sigh. Where's Vee-Tutu when you need him? He was always up for a bit of abuse. Probably off not finishing another miniature...

[Bexley]

The Kingdom of Avalon is probably my least favourite of the factions.

Yeah, but hey- free minis. The person who dropped them on my desk fessed up, and they are indeed now mine.

[Morf]

What do you mean ?? I didn't get it, sorry.

Well ... it means she is particularly good in finding sex partners.

Wren, yes, I plan on painting some beasties for my Circle, I'll take a couple of shots.

[Moavoamoatu]

Well ... it means she is particularly good in finding sex partners.

Thanks. I'll give it a try next time I play but playing with a dwarf, a lizard and a fairy as partners won't ease it....

[Wren]

Yeah, but hey- free minis. The person who dropped them on my desk fessed up, and they are indeed now mine.

Good point, free is good, and they are nice minis. Though they'll probably just tempt you to buy some of the even cooler Kraken stuff in the end!

[Moavoamoatu]

Yes Alkemy is addictive.

[Brushmistress]

@ moavoamoatu- Man that was quick! I think it's a good first effort on transparency effects, though I agree with Wren that her bum should show through the dress some more. Some khaki green shading (nothing too much) in the recesses where her body doesn't show through would probably also work to bring out her flesh. I hate painting white most of the time, but I've found that that color works with white. All in all - I couldn't do that in 2 hours - hell of a job!

[Bexley]

I just bought $2200 worth of miniatures. (Long story, can't explain now. Photo coming soon, though!) I think I am done buying for a while.

[Moavoamoatu]

I just bought $2200 worth of miniatures. (Long story, can't explain now. Photo coming soon, though!) I think I am done buying for a while.

Gold or pewter miniatures ???? :)

[Bexley]

Plutonium.

[Commander Y]

Right - got mine up! Out of 36 pictures, I cut the final down to 9 for my website - and then had to choose only 4 for the composite shot - maybe coulda squeezed a fifth angle in under the 300K limit, but eh...

Happy to be done! Great model to paint, too. Love these Trolls I tell ya!

[Commander Y]

Well, I tried to get some smack talk going, but Mr. Bexley was having none of it.

Terrible. Awful. Judges, please disqualify this entry. Did you paint it with a toothbrush? ;P

Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about! Huzzah!

[supervike]

I just bought $2200 worth of miniatures. (Long story, can't explain now. Photo coming soon, though!) I think I am done buying for a while.


Spending that much on miniatures?

Bah, I used to call that "Thursday"


I'm in the mood for smackiness!!

And, if I were allowed to compete in this Iron Painter madness, I'd show you all a thing or two about being 'IRON'.

I could paint circles around you people! And that is just using a toothpick with some pubic hair glued on for a brush!!

Smack that!

[Moavoamoatu]

I could paint circles around you people! And that is just using a toothpick with some pubic hair glued on for a brush!!

Smack that!

I would like to see such a brush.....Personally I paint with my hair so that's why I don't have many left.

[supervike]

Hmmmm Perhaps I should not use the term

"toothpick with pubic hair"


Moa...you can always use rodent hair!!

[LavronYor]

Jim can paint circles... Straight lines is another matter...

and Wren, what is wrong with appreciating anatomy?

And Morf, can you get those demos done by tomorrow, so that I can use them to beat you?

[Morf]

Jim can paint circles... Straight lines is another matter...

and Wren, what is wrong with appreciating anatomy?

And Morf, can you get those demos done by tomorrow, so that I can use them to beat you?

I had a day off for birthday and it looks like I might want to take a couple of days off generally. I'm getting to a point where I look at my workstation and get creeps when I see my PP Grandmaster entries.

[Morf]

I just bought $2200 worth of miniatures. (Long story, can't explain now. Photo coming soon, though!) I think I am done buying for a while.

I just traded for Cygnar (500$, I'm switching from Cryx) and I went virtual shopping to buy all of the neccesities to have a playable army and the cart shows 600$. Now that is scary.

[Moavoamoatu]

Moa...you can always use rodent hair!!

I keep them to paint eyes !

[Darklord]

well hope to get my crappy effort finished today, been at the hospital every two days for hours with the wife so been stop start with time

[Darklord]

well my (probably!!) losing entry is in.

[Moavoamoatu]

well my (probably!!) losing entry is in.

Why losing ? I really like it and left a comment. Great job.

[Darklord]

well i know TH will come up with something good and i am in depressive mode! wouldnt be a bad thing losing with baby coming!! (though i would like to kick TH's ass !!!)

[Brushmistress]

Oh man - I haven't even started yet!!!! I shall not DNF, but this is going to be close - still trying to finish my second GD entry...I hate ForgeWorld crap (let me ammend by saying that the models are lovely, but I'm tired of find teeeeeny bits of flash in nearly impossible places to get to)...but I hate DNFing more.:mad:

@ darklord - nice piece, already commented, but the enlarged image isn't working...

[Darklord]

thanks for the comments guys, was suprised it was so well received,

[Moavoamoatu]

@Brushmistress : I did what you told me and painted transparency on the bum and add kaki in the shadows. Here is the result.

@Morf as you can see my partners aren't so pretty so the Get laid +5 bonus is useless.

These miniatures were painted for the RPG game Earthdawn I play this evening. I painted them to give them as a gift for the players.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm165/moavoa/Earthdawn.jpg

The Elf and the Dwarf are from Asmodée "Retour des Dieux".

I sculpted the male fairy (10mm tall) and converted the T'Skrang with a warzone miniature.

[Moavoamoatu]

I told you I had many ideas for this round as the theme inspired me. This second diorama can be considered as my alternative entry (in this thread) :

http://wyrd-games.net/showthread.php?t=4336

Nathan can I get a bonus for this round thanks to it .....:D

[Darklord]

i had a few ideas for this round too, also came up with a bulldog hells angel and a play on the michael jackson BAD album cover

[Moavoamoatu]

I also wanted to do Hells Angels on bikes with skeletons....

[supervike]

I also wanted to do Hells Angels on bikes with skeletons....


I wouldn't advise messing with the Hells Angels!

[demonherald]

I wouldn't advise messing with the Hells Angels!

:AR15firin:adore:

[LavronYor]

Man, Morf is gonna kick my a$$. I have been preparing to run the Warmachine Tourney for New Jersey Con tomorrow, and I still have 4 gaming boards (4' x 4') to paint and flock as well as special terrain to finish.

AAAAGGGHH!

[Morf]

Ok, I'll make it easy and post my entry in circa 6 hours. Then you will decide if I kicked your ass or not. If so, you can take your time getting the boards ready. ;)

[LavronYor]

Thanks, it will just mean that I paint all day Sunday or sleep....

[Morf]

Paint or sleep. You can decide.... now!
That is the most straightforward approach to the theme. I try to feel bad about it but I just can't. No matter what is the result I'll at least have one more beastie for the Circle instead of another fancy dust gatherer on the shelf.

[Brushmistress]

All's quiet in this thread...
I've come to annouce I'm finished and will upload tomorrow morning. I'm just too tired to take pics right now.

@ moavoamoatu - Very nice additions to the sheer effects piece!

[Bexley]

The Bad: another pre-deadline all nighter.

The Good: I do get to "research" catholic shoolgirl skirts.

[Moavoamoatu]

@ moavoamoatu - Very nice additions to the sheer effects piece!

Thanks.

[Bexley]

Ergh. Naptime. Somebody wake me in three hours.

[Darklord]

you want some pro- plus and a coffee fetching bexley

[Brushmistress]

OK- my pics are up!

[Darklord]

very nice mistress, as are all the others so far

[Ben$quig]

Bexley.... WAKE UP!

Hahahahaa

All the entries so far are awesome... i'm so glad I got into this comp. Really a shame that I simply wasn't able to do IPIV... that comp was also very fierce and I would have enjoyed the Themes much more than this one!!!

These song-themes are driving me nutz.

Squig

[Morf]

I gotta say the painting level of all entries so far is insane!
Theme-wise... well, I see most of us have been VERY careful and conservative.

[Bexley]

Bexley.... WAKE UP!

You're three hours late! If I have to DNF, it'll be all your fault, and Commander Y will owe you big.

[Commander Y]

I do get to "research" catholic shoolgirl skirts.

The theme is BAD to the Bone, not GOOD to the Bone...

[Darklord]

The theme is BAD to the Bone, not GOOD to the Bone...


wont be if he doesnt say enough hail mary's afterwards!

[Thryth]

I gotta say the painting level of all entries so far is insane!
Theme-wise... well, I see most of us have been VERY careful and conservative.

Well, I'm about to fix both of those. ;) (Although, considering the amount of time I had for this entry, it's better than I expected)

[supervike]

tickity tock!

The clock keeps moving!

[Moavoamoatu]

I gotta say the painting level of all entries so far is insane!
Theme-wise... well, I see most of us have been VERY careful and conservative.

I agree.

[Morf]

4 more to go. Come on!

Hey Mr. whose name gets always mispelled, where are you???

[LavronYor]

still working...

[demonherald]

Theme-wise... well, I see most of us have been VERY careful and conservative.

PANSIES..........:vb_devil:

[Paintingploddy]

Got mine in and done. thanks for the comments all. 1 am job this time.

[Bexley]

Not quite as close as the first round, but it's in, with about three minutes to spare.

[supervike]

The gallery is closed!!!

And so is this round....

Looks like Darklord gets to be the first one to move onto Round Four!!

Thunderhawkerminis? What happened man?

[Ben$quig]

Thunderhawkerminis? What happened man?

I'd like to second that emotion! After such a close one last round I thought that it'd be ON!

Sad to see THM DNF... sad indeed.

Squig

[Brushmistress]

What happened THM? You were a serious heavy hitter!

[Darklord]

should i feel offended?!!!! i think he had internet problems so couldnt upload in time i think. i have told vikey that i wouldnt mind TH to still be allowed in but thats upto the powers that be

[Brushmistress]

should i feel offended?!!!! i think he had internet problems so couldnt upload in time i think. i have told vikey that i wouldnt mind TH to still be allowed in but thats upto the powers that be


That came out all wrong!:banghead: Your dioramas rock Darklord - I just meant it's kind of a bummer that the "gimme another chance" winner didn't finish. :flowers:

[supervike]

I believe Thunderhawkerminis was having some computer issues.

I am going to let the judges decide, and take the wimpy way out by staying neutral....

On the one hand, the deadline is written, posting late does run this risk.

On the other hand, I am a bit of a softie, and would rather play by the 'spirit' of the rules, rather than hard and fast.

On the third hand....nah I'm just fooling, If I had three hands, I'd never leave porn sites....


So, in a nutshell....

The judges will decide this issue. I will have an answer soon. Thanks!

[Paintingploddy]

Spirit! Spirit! Spirit! Spirit!

Be great to see a round without a DNF particularly where technical problems are concerned.

[Darklord]

That came out all wrong!:banghead: Your dioramas rock Darklord - I just meant it's kind of a bummer that the "gimme another chance" winner didn't finish. :flowers:
thats ok, how could i be mad with you!!! think i may have talked myself out of a place in the next round!!!

[Morf]

I'd love to see TH's piece as well. I'm lucky I am not a judge or Vike since exceptions to the rules are so hard to deal with.

[supervike]

Ok, heres the deal.

I've heard back from two of our judges, and they both agreed, under the circumstances, to allow Thunderhawkerminis to be able to compete.

I want to remain neutral, and will do so, but I am worried that I am setting a precedence here.

My stance is that this competition is more about the 'contest' and less about the eventual individual champion. BUT...that is easy to say when it isn't my time, effort, and energy spent competing within the rules.

This is a very good reason why not to wait until the last minute to upload your picture.

If anyone disagrees with this, I'd surely like to hear about it. Please PM me to discuss it, and don't worry, I won't make anything said there public.

I'll add Thunderhawkerminis submission into the gallery.

[Darklord]

well i may well lose out to TH but i'm pleased he was let back in 'just this once' (now as long as the judges give me an extra ten points for being sporting i should be ok!!

[Frustrated Father]

You know, I'm actually of the opinion not to let stuff like that happen, and not because I'm being a peckerwood (most of ya'll know me to be a push over as a matter of fact), but more to the point because its 'Iron Painter'.

A lot of folks hem and haw over how they had a busy week, batteries were dead, roof fell on top of them (okay that last is a bit much ..) but that is part of the contest as you need to set aside time for the painting when you enter this and you need to make certain that if your taking pictures of your piece in the last hours of the last day that you had the thing charged up (I pick on this one as its been brought up about a dozen times over the last four contests).

The other option is the 'I think I can' which is for the folks that just iron through the whole competition, winning or not. They get goodies regardless for making the effort.

Just my two cents, and honestly, not meant maliciously at all as I want to see everyone succeed.

[Moavoamoatu]

My 2 cents on it : if you post at the last minute you take a big risk, that's IP. On the other hand having a computer or internet problem can happen to anyone and we all have a life and a job so it might be hard to post earlier sometimes.

Conclusion: let the judges decide ! Alea jacta est.....

[Morf]

Here's the deal:

This is a new thing and everybody will be able to use the calling you're about to make since now.

I am SO against changing the rules in a running contest but would love to see TH mini.

Darklord, who is most obviously the one that will be the most hurt by this decision and yet can't "voice" much, should be in some way rewarded. This is not just a painting contest. It's an Iron Painter, where skills should be equally praised as time, stress and theme management.

So please make a rule of "penalty points" (make it -5, -10) for being late but you can call that only once a contest and you can't abuse the 24h limit.

Even with that, you may still have to deal with people who posted their WIPs in IP5 just because they wanted to make it before "the midnight".

[Darklord]

Here's the deal:

Darklord, who is most obviously the one that will be the most hurt by this decision and yet can't "voice" much, should be in some way rewarded. This is not just a painting contest. It's an Iron Painter, where skills should be equally praised as time, stress and theme management.

.

i actually pm'd vikey earleir today to let him know i would like to see TH let in if the judges decided it was ok. I am realistic in my skill level and know it would be a slim chance for me to win this competition with such great painters entering. The reason i enter is i can get good feedback from all of you and the judges. at the end of the day (for me at least) its a good natured contest between friendly people and thought it would be sporting to see TH still in. If i lose i dont mind, baby due soon so its no great loss and i would like to think TH would do the same if the situation was the other way round

[Darklord]

of course, i will still kick his ass in the scoring anyway!!!!

[Bexley]

What were the "computer issues?"

[demonherald]

well as one of the judges who has responded and said allow it I am basically going on the spirit of the competition and participation factor.. I however didn't take into consideration the precident it sets...and I can see that allowing it may leave the comp open for people to play on the generosity factor a bit in the future..

so I guess what we need to now discuss is wether or not to add a penalty for late submission to prevent future bending of the time limit....

I agree with the comments about last minute and timing is always a risk and personally in the last comp I had a couple of close calls where I wasn't actually gonna be at a computer for entry time or I had some minor unforseen technical difficulty .....I can also say a few of my entries would have benefited from an extra hours touch ups to make them photo ready after the last minute pics didn't quite work but I entered them before deadline anyways even though not 100% happy..but that is iron painter and one of the obstacles of the comp.

I guess a penalty of some kind is a fair warning to future entrants to make sure you have taken all into account what could happen and are prepared for it...

In case all that has confused you I am still opting for allowing it but a point penalty should be considered...

[Moavoamoatu]

In case all that has confused you I am still opting for allowing it but a point penalty should be considered...

minus 60 ? just kidding :D

[ThunderhawkerMinis]

What were the "computer issues?"

Apparently when it gets hot here, the cable company has issues with maintaining service. Something about the heat and the fiber insulation that I really don't understand and am taking them at their word. So for information purposes, my internet (and cable in general) on Sunday (and apparently on Saturday according to my wife) was up and down constantly. The cable would come on and I would run into my office, try and upload, and poof it was out again. Calling the cable company, they said they would have someone out Monday (today) to look at it. Since there is a scar in my front yard and a new box on the side of my house and I am seeing this page and (hopefully) submitting a response, they have fixed the problem.

All that said we had the same issue last summer which they had supposedly "fixed".

@ The Judges: Thanks for the consideration on this one. TBH I would have quietly abided by any decision made, and while I may have been disappointed, I would have certainly understood had the ultimate result been in the opposite. Now I can lose to DL with dignity. That mini hates me, and is now destined to prove it.

[Ritual]

There is a precedent of sorts from last round (I think), although the circumstances weren't the same. But, in effect one entrant who entered slightly after deadline was allowed to continue. That's what made me say "allow" this time as well.

[Bexley]

Hm. If ThunderHawker was trying all day long to upload and couldn't, I can see allowing some leniency. I thought maybe it was a "tried to upload at 5:55 and couldn't get through" which would make me feel more to disallow it. And I say this speaking as somebody who has yet, in either in this IP or the previous, managed to upload before the final fifteen minutes before the deadline, and often within the last two to three, with paint still wet on the figures. I realize I am cutting it close and should something go wrong, I'd be out of luck, but I take that chance. Often, it comes down to spending some time with my kid on a weekend which I have him vs. painting, and risking a last minute denial seems worth that risk.

[LavronYor]

Well, I to am for a little leniency. I had a very busy week preparing for a tournament and started on Sunday. My effort although weak, was to prevent a DNF and I succeeded. Of course after the Deadine, several ideas came to me, but alas, this is IRON PAINTER.

So congrats to all who will continue on. LavronYor is here no more.

until the next IronPainter.

Iron

Iron

Iron

[Moavoamoatu]

I really appreciate Iron Painter : people are nice and fairplay.

Should we have the results on friday as usual or before, as there are less entries as rounds go on ?....unless EricJ is painting another guest room with a 0000 brush :D

[demonherald]

I really appreciate Iron Painter : people are nice and fairplay.

Should we have the results on friday as usual or before, as there are less entries as rounds go on ?....unless EricJ is painting another guest room with a 0000 brush :D

If only it were that easy.. as the rounds progress the level increases and the decisions on judging become tougher.....besides I'm not sure it will be Eric that is behind this week but maybe me....before I even start though great job all round guys this is a tight round......

[Moavoamoatu]

Hi Judges,

As the round is closed now, we can have fun with judges in Supervike's sarcastic and humoristic style.

Will Ericj have time to repaint his house with a 000 brush before the end of the week ?

Will Supervike be as caustic as usual and make us laugh ?

Can Supervike paint circles with pubic hair and a toothpike ?

Will Demonherald rent a room at World Expo with Ritual who offers special services (I have read in another thread that he has a wig and implants!!!!)

Will Demonherald have a chance to nick ....cough ..ahem I mean have a look at Anders work up close...... (you wrote it yourself mate).

Will Supervike find a new theme song for next round : "We will rock you", "Happy day", "Jingle Bells" may be....????

Will Frustrated Father give the Iron Painter winners some brand new goodies such as the sexy bunnies he brought back from Las Vegas (a chippendale for Brusmistress who might change her name to Whipmistress if she wins) ?

The round is closed and the judging starts NOW.

[Morf]

Good one, Moa, made me laugh very hard!

[Moavoamoatu]

Good one, Moa, made me laugh very hard!

Thanks, I added a new line in it.

[Brushmistress]

(a chippendale for Brusmistress who might change her name to Whipmistress if she wins) ?




@ Moavoamoatu - You know, oddly enough, I was once a whipmistress. I went to an event called Burning Man a few years ago and was in charge of whipping a couple hundred people....

[Darklord]

If only it were that easy.. as the rounds progress the level increases and the decisions on judging become tougher.....besides I'm not sure it will be Eric that is behind this week but maybe me....before I even start though great job all round guys this is a tight round......

so which is harder DH, painting to a deadline or judging to one?

[Ritual]

Judging is MUCH harder, of course! :approve: That's where you'll find the true steel...

[Darklord]

well it would do my head in having everyone nagging you about getting finished, i have enough with the wife doing that!!

[demonherald]

so which is harder DH, painting to a deadline or judging to one?

definitely judging......no doubt , no question......

[Darklord]

and your all so good at it you handsome (and quite probably) well endowed people who i would have named the baby after but its a girl

[Ritual]

I get the feeling I'm being sucked up to. :hmmmm:

[Darklord]

no its a natural admiration for you all, nothing to do with scoring at all, no way. right off to finish baking those cookies for you all

[demonherald]

don't forget the extra choc chips..

[Duende]

and your all so good at it you handsome (and quite probably) well endowed people who i would have named the baby after but its a girl

Robanderi could be a girl's name! :D

I also think it was good of the wonderful judges to allow THM's entry through. Like what was said, it's one thing if he just forgot or waited until the very last minute, but if he was ready and trying within enough time before the deadline and circumstances beyond his control were stopping him, then I think some lenience is allowable.

Great entries everyone! Can't wait to see how the scoring falls! (Go Brushmistress!) :D :D

[supervike]

Forum sense tingling!

Either there are boobies or cookies being discussed....


@moamoa Funny stuff!

[Darklord]

maybe both vikey, we could call them bookies or coobies

[demonherald]

will supervike ever manage to spell moavoamoatu.......???? :p:

[Moavoamoatu]

will supervike ever manage to spell moavoamoatu.......???? :p:


ooops...I forgot this one. Let's do it again :

Will Super Bike ever manage to spell moavoamoatu.......????

[Ritual]

He will learn, but first he must learn to spell LavronYor...






.... AND make sums correctly. :p:

[supervike]

HEY! Totally unfair, I haven't had a math related error at least since last round!

[Duende]

I also seemed to notice a trend that the longer the name, the more likely the chance to move onto the next round. So before the next IP, I'm changing my name to Duendecalifragilisticexpialidocious.

[Darklord]

I also seemed to notice a trend that the longer the name, the more likely the chance to move onto the next round. So before the next IP, I'm changing my name to Duendecalifragilisticexpialidocious.

bodes well for me against thunderhawkerminis then!!!

[Morf]

I also seemed to notice a trend that the longer the name, the more likely the chance to move onto the next round. So before the next IP, I'm changing my name to Duendecalifragilisticexpialidocious.

God, I see why I am doomed even more than you. Yours truly, Transmorphingmegamorfodont.

[Thryth]

HEY! Totally unfair, I haven't had a math related error at least since last round!

I think that you mistakenly named someone other than me for the third lowest scoring entry in the last round. Does that count?

[Ritual]

I also seemed to notice a trend that the longer the name, the more likely the chance to move onto the next round. So before the next IP, I'm changing my name to Duendecalifragilisticexpialidocious.

Jim's brain will melt if he tries to spell that! :D

[Wren]

I also seemed to notice a trend that the longer the name, the more likely the chance to move onto the next round. So before the next IP, I'm changing my name to Duendecalifragilisticexpialidocious.

Hm... I believe the winner of each of the final rounds in preceding seasons was the person with the shorter name, so there's no need to go torturing sv with hard names to spell just yet. :->

[Morf]

You are right!

Wren, Skya, now I am the only one with a four letter name .... muahahahaha!

[Duende]

You forgotten Cindy, - aka cdukino? That's 7 letters!

And you're forgetting another thing Morf, you don't have enough estrogen!!! :laugh:

[Morf]

I'll work on it. Off to waxing my legs.

[Ritual]

Don't forget the bikini line! :D

[Morf]

Nah, still a month away from the bikini season. And because of the testosterone levels, it grows back pretty fast.

[Darklord]

cant believe its wednesday and no one has asked when the results will be in, we must be getting better trained!!

[Ritual]

I'll do my judging thing when I get home from work in a couple of hours.

[Darklord]

i've done mine already, wanna borrow my scores?

[Morf]

cant believe its wednesday and no one has asked when the results will be in, we must be getting better trained!!

Ok, when the results will be in?

[Moavoamoatu]

You are right! .... muahahahaha!

Nope it's Moaaaaaaaa :D

[Wren]

You forgotten Cindy, - aka cdukino? That's 7 letters!

And you're forgetting another thing Morf, you don't have enough estrogen!!! :laugh:

It was shorter than her final opponent's, though (vincegamer). Though I imagine the quality estrogen painting had far more to do with her success. ;->

[Darklord]

well according to the finger length test i have more estrogen than testosterone so that bodes well (probably why i have great taste in clothing too!!)

[Morf]

well according to the finger length test i have more estrogen than testosterone so that bodes well (probably why i have great taste in clothing too!!)
You silly ... wanna go shopping together?:inlove:

(ok, that is crazy, please lock this thread and give us some new theme to talk about)

[Bexley]

Don't forget the bikini line! :D

Being that he's a guy, you do have to specify bikini top or bikini bottom.

[Darklord]

just call him the karate kid - wax on, wax off

[Brushmistress]

I need a new theme!!! I just finished my Games Day pieces :bounce:, so I want a mini to think about painting next!

[Darklord]

maybe wont be today , jim was suffering really bad floods i believe

[Brushmistress]

I hope he's alright. Let us know as soon as you can Jim.

[supervike]

Doing fine here! Exhausted from sandbagging, running pumps, etc. etc.

My house is fine, lots of other folks are not as lucky.

I'm at work, which is only a 1/2 a block from the river, but the levees have all held. We just have some issues in the basement, and I'm busy keeping manholes pumped out.

I've only got one judge finished so far, I'll try and complile everything provided I get the other two ballots, before I leave, as I understand we have lost all internet connection at home (due to flooding the main equipment).

I'll do my best to have a new theme.....I might even hand pick this one!

jim

[Darklord]

glad to hear your ok Jim, will the new theme be american pie? drove my chevy to the levee

[Morf]

I watched recently two pretty decent action movies and they both "Ace of Spades" in it and I thought 'Wow, I hope Vike doesn't watch the same movies I do" ;)

This whole music theme is killing me....softly.

[Darklord]

so which judges do we need to make acronyms of? heres Jim needing an ark but he's still keeping up, he is the iron moderator

[Ritual]

so which judges do we need to make acronyms of?
That'd be Eric (again) and Rob (or Demonherald, if you want to be more verbose...)! :approve:

[Darklord]

Every
Round
Is
Crawling

Rather
Often
Boys

[demonherald]

I need a new theme!!! I just finished my Games Day pieces :bounce:, so I want a mini to think about painting next!

who's a confident lady.. haven't even finished scoring yet and your already planning next round....

halfway through rest will be through tonight..... hopefully what I've been doing instead will be OK with the masses....

[Darklord]

hopefully what I've been doing instead will be OK with the masses....

making us all chip butties?

[waghorn41]

Chip butties! Seeing as I put into 'I think I can..' nice and early can I have one, with ketchup please. :D

[demonherald]

Actually tonight I'm cooking a mixed seafood linguini... Fresh seafood at the local market on a thursday so provided you get there before the local chinese restaurants some lovely fish to be add..
today Green lip mussels , squid , scallops and 3 types of prawn... yummmm....

anyways my results are in now...and can I just say great pieces all round with a bit of a bugger of a theme really....

[Morf]

Yeah... you eat seafood because you got no team to follow in Euro2008. And we just got f*^%ed by a Brittish referee. If I was Howard Webb, I wouldn't be planning holidays anywhere near. I mean 93 minute penalty after a repeated free-kick out of nowhere for nothing????

[Duende]

Yeah... you eat seafood because you got no team to follow in Euro2008. And we just got f*^%ed by a Brittish referee. If I was Howard Webb, I wouldn't be planning holidays anywhere near. I mean 93 minute penalty after a repeated free-kick out of nowhere for nothing????

I didn't follow any of that! And I supposedly speak the same language! :thinking:

@ DH - Gaaahhhh! You're making me hungry and I have no food that good here! :eating: :bawling:

[demonherald]

he's referring to the injustice in todays euro2008 soccer match.. I didn't watch it but the response from the polish guys next door having a bbq while watching the game told me it wasn't going too well...
My team will never play in the euro comp... go socceroos*******

[Morf]

Well, at least they always win their division. But hey, I always cheer for Socceroos in the WorldCup eliminations. And... there was the times when I cheered for Leeds when they had a couple of great Australian players.