Iron Painter V: The Kickoff!!

[supervike]

I've proved my Iron twice now, rookie. Try that bluster on me again when you've done the same.



LOL!

Nothing better than smack talk that is backed up by deeds!!

@steelcult

Deadline is tomorrow at 6pm CDT.

[matty1001]

Mine's up...
Just a quick job, simply so I don't have to DNF at the hands of a Welsh man :P

[Bexley]

I've proved my Iron twice now, rookie. Try that bluster on me again when you've done the same.

The truly Iron do not rest on their laurels.

[Sculpta the squig]

Finished, photographed all that remains to be done is edit the photos :D

Squig

[steelcult]

LOL!

Nothing better than smack talk that is backed up by deeds!!

@steelcult

Deadline is tomorrow at 6pm CDT.


24 hours roughly at this point. Plenty of time. If I dont sleep!!:party:

[ThunderhawkerMinis]

Mine's up. I was afraid if I kept going I was going to over-work it and end up with blue mud.

[Sculpta the squig]

Done and uploaded, hope you all like it :D

Squig

[Skya]

Originally Posted by Skya http://wyrd-games.net/tren_z/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://wyrd-games.net/showthread.php?p=47819#post47819)
I've proved my Iron twice now, rookie. Try that bluster on me again when you've done the same.
The truly Iron do not rest on their laurels.

Very true, they work their ass off on a masterclass entry for ReaperCon...

[Bexley]

Hey, if that's what you have to tell yourself so you can sleep at night.

[Grinning Buddha]

Well it went a little like this ; Anasthetic 1 : Buddha 0 ... pm me ploddy $5 is yours!

Next time there will be blood matey :ciao:

[Paintingploddy]

Bugger, the anaethatist broke my tradition of going out in the first round. I don't have a picture up yet though, so perhaps I should keep painting.

[Paintingploddy]

Please forgive the double post.

Got it done, he is up in all his glory. I count myself fortunate that I don't have to compete with GB. The green stuff work on that entry was looking good.

[vincegamer]

Done, and done. Got to run, gone all day. I'll see what happens when I get back.

[Dragonforge]

Well Im done and up.. I just want to say I hate these color/emotion themes so I hope to make it through this round and get on to a proper theme :)

[waghorn41]

Well my effort is up but somehow I ended up with the three pictures showing separately instead of in one group. Messed up again, painting and posting.

I KNOW why they call it the blues...

[LavronYor]

uh oh, coming down to the wire.

[steelcult]

4/5 finished - hows that for 1041 am central time?

[supervike]

You put the PRO in procrastination Lloyd!!

[Thryth]

I don't think that he is alone. I only see 22 image so far, which is only 20 unqiue entries, I think. You know, I probably should finish-up. :)

[steelcult]

You put the PRO in procrastination Lloyd!!


Works best under pressure I does - ask either of my ex wives!!!!:laugh:

[Darklord]

just doing the base then mine is done

[steelcult]

Same here actually - just waiting on the paint to dry so I can take photos.

[steelcult]

Bloody hell - just pulled an arm off - back to the super glue and touch ups

[tadme48]

for better or worse (probably worse) mine is posted

[wargriffon]

My entry is up, damn what a b**** to photograph, I have just spent the last 4 hours trying to get shots I am happy with and I am still not happy with the ones that are up.

I asked for a few oppinions and screnes seem to vary greatly so I hope the one that I have put up doesn't look too washed out on some peoples monitors, the other ones I liked just looked so dark on my machine :(

[Darklord]

its really nice wargriffon and i just got mine up and that was a pain in the ass to photo but hopefully it will be enough.

[Bexley]

Various minor emergencies yesterday prevented me from working on my entry. I should have it done by the deadline, but I had to scale back the basing quite a bit, and abandon the "additional' idea I came up with the other day.

[wargriffon]

its really nice wargriffon and i just got mine up and that was a pain in the ass to photo but hopefully it will be enough.

Thanks, not sure it shows in the photo but she has a light blue eye shadow on and the patterns are done in a light blue as well.

First mini I have finished since last year so overall I am quite pleased with how she has come out although it does feel as if I have taken a step backwards but that is probably because it is 54mm and not 28mm.

[Duende]

Mine's in!

Even though today when I took a break for lunch, I heat up some soup and promptly spilled it all over my lap and sofa when I went to eat it. So now I have a scalded lap and damp sofa, but managed to finish in time.

:D

[Hinton]

Sorry to hear about your lap, Duende.

Mine's in.

[Grinning Buddha]

Well I managed to do something in 4 hrs lol! Only one shot I'm afraid as the camera batteries died in the middle of things but hey its done :D

[steelcult]

Its up - not the big montage I had first planned (damned size restrictions) but I got the main image of them all up!

[Artemis Black]

Yeah! I am not a DNF!

That's pretty much all I cared about. I had what I thought was a cool idea almost instantly upon hearing the theme but with Salute and the post-show entire store inventory I haven't had a chance to pick up a paintbrush until this afternoon. very upset I had to waste my idea on a couple hour speed paint but I finished something for the first time in forever - almost since starting the business.

Ahh, now my opponent can go on safe in the knowledge he didn't go through by default ;)

[v22TTC]

Got mine up with half an hour to spare - a breeze.... ;)

My first finished mini (s) and lots learned for a fortnight - my little dudes came close to flying a few times though....

Whatever happens, CommanderY, it's been an honour.

And cheers Wyrd and Supervike for the motivation shot.

[Bexley]

WHew! About a minute to go. I would rather have had more time for image resizing, especially to put in a close-up on the figure's face, but oh well. I did not DNF.

[stubbdog]

bexley, you took the words out of my mouth.

[Hinton]

Well, I believe the deadline has passed. According the sheet I have, there are 6 DNF's; however, I could be wrong.

[Dragonforge]

Well, I believe the deadline has passed. According the sheet I have, there are 6 DNF's; however, I could be wrong.

Deadline has indeed past and my competition was one of the DNF's I do believe.. Yee-haw I scoot through to the next round :P

[HamishMcGreigh]

Deadline has indeed past and my competition was one of the DNF's I do believe.. Yee-haw I scoot through to the next round :P


The two sweetest words in the English language: De-Fault, De-Fault, De-Fault!
-Homer Simpson


Not that you really had to worry too much, man. Nice work.

When do we know if we won our heats and move on to the next round?

[Thryth]

I believe that Supervike normally aims for Thursday.

[vincegamer]

WHew! About a minute to go. I would rather have had more time for image resizing, especially to put in a close-up on the figure's face, but oh well. I did not DNF.
Sure.
You planned it that way to get my hopes up.

[Duende]

Well, I believe the deadline has passed. According the sheet I have, there are 6 DNF's; however, I could be wrong.

I have 7 DNF's: mcsneed, Ringsnake, Valmont, fieldarchy, Coil, Asmodai1973, and CaffeineBoy. (waghorn41 has 3 pics separately posted).

Which means Darklord, Ben$quig, Morf, Hinton, JakubT, waghorn41 (so you didn't even need all those pics!) and Dragonforge automatically pass to the next round. Congrats on being so intimidating to your opponents that you scared them away!

:)

[Hinton]

I have 7 DNF's: mcsneed, Ringsnake, Valmont, fieldarchy, Coil, Asmodai1973, and CaffeineBoy. (waghorn41 has 3 pics separately posted).


Coil has a picture up, it's just not in the Round 1 section:

http://wyrd-games.net/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=550

I didn't know if it counted as being an entry or not, so I wasn't sure if it was a DNF.

Vike? Judges? Thoughts on this?

Personally, I'm really not happy about moving to the round because of a DNF. I had this great plan of going into a semi-retirement from mini painting for a while since I feel like my painting skill has really hit a plateau. To be perfectly honest, I haven't been "inspired" or whatever to paint anything for months now. It seems like no matter what I do I just can't get past the point that I'm at and improve.

Anyway, I guess it's on to the next round.

[supervike]

I moved Coils' pic to the right category.. That is a simple mistake, and one that I can hardly blame on him.

I've closed the uploading, so what we got now is the final.

Waghorn, only one photo is allowed, so I'll delete two of them. Since you have no opponent, I'll let you tell me which two to delete....Please PM me.

Nice job folks!

[Duende]

Whoops! Sorry Coil, I was only looking in the IP gallery. Nice to see you actually made it!

OK, so are the votes in yet vike? ?? ;) :D

[Wren]

Part of me is sad not to be part of the frenzy and fun this 'season'. The other part is thinking about how peaceful and unstressed my weekend was in comparison. ;-> I took a quick look through the gallery, and the work is great! A lot of fun and high quality stuff I hope to comment on in more detail some time when I have a brain. Congrats to all the finishers! Though I'm sorry to see one of the ladies out already to DNF. :-<

Skya - thanks for the GAMA summary. Now I'm even more curious to try the new paint!

[steelcult]

And now we wait.

[Thryth]

...and hope for comments... :D

[wingz]

well i can only hope to get a by this round.. I dont know where i went wrong.. but after taking my pics my mini looks like crap lol.... I thinking it might of been when i tryed to add a shimmer effect to the dress with gold paint.. aww well live n learn... of anyone want to give me ideas about where & how I messed up please do.. I could really use the feed back

[Morf]

I... am... mad! Somebody DNFed on me! it happened to me for the first time in my life!
How could you do this to me, Valmont?
Good job everybody, only 6 DNFs and lots of very good stuff!

[Darklord]

yeah my opponent is aa DNF and felt a little cheated at first but i remembered i entered this to push myself so who cares.
Anyway he probably took one look at mine and thought no point even posting his (in fact all the DNF's probably looked at mine and thought the same)

[Moavoamoatu]

Excuse my poor english but what does DNF mean. I understand the meaning but what do the D.N.F. letters mean ?

[Darklord]

did not finish

[Dragonforge]

Excuse my poor english but what does DNF mean. I understand the meaning but what do the D.N.F. letters mean ?

Did Not Finish..

I was one of the entrants whos opponent D.N.F. Yeah its sort of a hollow victory, but hey I did my part so thats all that matters. Im ready to move onto round two and get painting.

Congratulations to everyone that finished their piece on time and good luck on the judging.

[vincegamer]

Guys, a DNF goes in the win column.
Besides it means you were better than your opponent, because you beat the clock and he didn't.
What sucks is when the opponent just vanishes from Wyrd and you never get your prize, but that's a different matter.

[Moavoamoatu]

Thanks for the explanation.

[Hinton]

Guys, a DNF goes in the win column.
Besides it means you were better than your opponent, because you beat the clock and he didn't.


Very true. And, in my case, she didn't.

[Paintingploddy]

I know smack talk is in, but faking a DNF to lull your opposition into a false sense of security, that's a new low :)

[Dragonforge]

I know smack talk is in, but faking a DNF to lull your opposition into a false sense of security, that's a new low :)


That is why you fail..

Trickery is indeed part of the Iron Painter..

[LavronYor]

one of the better parts, as us mediocre painters need all the help we can get

btw, been and commented on all of the entries...

DNFers, this is a good way to make ammends...

[Grinning Buddha]

I know smack talk is in, but faking a DNF to lull your opposition into a false sense of security, that's a new low :)


Bah! WHEN I wrote that there wasn't going to be an entry from me; no trickery to lull you anywhere Mr. P... go have a general anasthetic and see how great you feel afterwards... or, stop crying its in the hands of the judges now...

[Darklord]

hey if they aint got the iron to finish they aint got the iron to win it. at least against a dnf you dont have to clock watch the judges, we can relax safely and be refreshed for round 2

[Thryth]

Just my two cents, but I don't think that DNF'ing is so bad. It's part of the contest. This is like a two week marathon, and sometime things will happen.

[supervike]

Yup, have to totally agree with you there Thryth!

DNF is not quite as fun, but it is absolutely part of the contest.

If this was easy ANYBODY could do it!!!

[waghorn41]

Oh good grief now I've got to paint another mini!:eek:

Asmo you let me down, I was planning on being beaten hollow. :mad:

I guess the good thing is I just know I'll be beaten next time. :D

And I'll try to get the photo uploading sorted out........... :o:

[supervike]

Mr. Waghorn....I wasn't sure if you'd be back around in time for the judges to start their thing, so I went ahead and deleted two of the photos. The first shows your mini of the best, so I left that one. Congrats on advancing!!!

[Morf]

You know, I beat a couple of people last time and the entire "now surrender the booty" thing was never on my mind. But with a DNFer... now surrender the booty!

[Duende]

I'd rather see somebody enter a mini that looks like a hasty dip job than a DNF, but I understand sometimes things just happen. (I believe I DNF'ed in the 1st IP)

So since I got mine in, that makes me a DF!! (Did Finish!) Yay!!

[PaintMinion]

fieldarchy DNF'd? Dang, Meg, we were counting on you to help carry the women to another win! Sorry you didn't make it, I was looking forward to your entry.

[waghorn41]

Hi Supervike, I;ve been on site regularly to see what was happening, or not in my opponents case. Thanks for taking care of the pics, sorry for the mess up. As every one can see my painting isn't up to much so to be advancing past round one is really wyrd. Oh well I'll enjoy it while it lasts.

[Moavoamoatu]

When should round 2 begin ?

[Sculpta the squig]

Probably on sunday or something :)

Squig

[Moavoamoatu]

Enough time to rest for the winners...:rip:

[EricJ]

quite a few impressive entries, give me a day or two to catch up on sleep and i'll be in the mood to do a little (or a LOT of) judging

[Thryth]

@moavoamoatu I think that it is traditionally Friday, but considering the number of entries this round, I wouldn't be surprised if it was later.

[supervike]

I'd prefer the next round to start on Friday, but that means I gotta crack the whip on those deadbeat judges...

Judge damn you, judge!!

[v22TTC]

I don't think DNFing's so bad in itself but I reckon it's courtious to at least explain why or something. It was important to me to not DNF here but I wore myself out to a frazzle in the process (like 20 hour days with no proper food for the last few days etc)....

I imagine I'm up against the entry that will get the highest score of them all, so not expecting to be in Round 2 but I really want to keep the momentum up so would love to still take part in the `OK, I know I'm crap but can I still play with you grownups?' thing, if it gets set up.... And (as always barring catastrophy) I'm defo up for IPVI!

This last fortnight pretty much wrecked me and plunged me into despair... but made me feel more alive at the same time... good stuff.

[Moavoamoatu]

quite a few impressive entries, give me a day or two to catch up on sleep and i'll be in the mood to do a little (or a LOT of) judging

Take your time.

As it is my first IP I have a question : do judges post comments ?

@Supervike : do you start a new thread for next rounds or post in this one ?

[Darklord]

quite a few impressive entries, give me a day or two to catch up on sleep and i'll be in the mood to do a little (or a LOT of) judging


judges sleep? i thought you were all beyond the physical realm

[Sculpta the squig]

Take your time.

As it is my first IP I have a question : do judges post comments ?

@Supervike : do you start a new thread for next rounds or post in this one ?

They posted comments with their scores last IP and I hope the will in this one too. And yes, A new round gets a new thread to avoid confusion.

Squig

[Moavoamoatu]

Thanks Sculpta.

[Ritual]

I won't promise to comment on the entries this round (I didn't in the first, and possibly second, round last time either). This many entries take a LOT of time to judge properly and to comment (and I mean give useful comments) on all entries means I need twice the time. If I can, I will, but I won't promise anything.

When the number of entries is smaller, then I will comment on everything, though.

[v22TTC]

Moavoamoatu: I've found it pretty useful to check the old IP competitions to see how things work and what seems to go down well. It's good from a research point of view but also the best entertainment in town - some of the best `outside the box' thinking and creativity out there.

I don't watch TV so for me the Wyrd competition galleries are what fills that niche - snacks and browsing... read the comments too and it's also a damn sight more informative and educational than TV likes to claim to be!

IPIV was probably my favourite, but I was following it as it happened, so I suppose that made it more exciting....

[Sculpta the squig]

I won't promise to comment on the entries this round (I didn't in the first, and possibly second, round last time either). This many entries take a LOT of time to judge properly and to comment (and I mean give useful comments) on all entries means I need twice the time. If I can, I will, but I won't promise anything.

When the number of entries is smaller, then I will comment on everything, though.

I can certainly understand that :cool:

Squig

[Darklord]

well, i just finished commenting on everyones entries. some nice work in there and plenty of humour. luckily i'm already through so i dont need to worry. been interesting seeing some different takes on the theme and not one elton john piece

[350kilotons]

I would like to thank everyone who commented on my entry from the bottom of my heart. Unfortunately I don't have my connection back yet, so my internet access is limited and I hope this 'blanket' thank you will be appropriate. It is really heartwarming to have such positive feedback and tips to improve my level as I paint pretty much in seclusion. I find it invaluable that painters of such a high standard would give me such great feedback and pointers, and I shall endeavor to take it all on board and grow as an artist.

I'd also like to thank Thryth for being a fantastic opponent and wish him the best for the future rounds, as well as the organisers of the Iron Painter and Wyrd for hosting this competition.

And thanks to everyone else for making me feel like a welcome member of your community. Unfortunately, you won't be able to get rid of me now!!

[supervike]

And thanks to everyone else for making me feel like a welcome member of your community. Unfortunately, you won't be able to get rid of me now!!


hmmm...it's scary that our community members have much in common with a std....

lol!!

Glad to have you 350kt! This really is a great forum, and provided you don't start talking in L33T, a very tolerant one as well!! lol

[demonherald]

hmmm...it's scary that our community members have much in common with a std....

lol!!

Glad to have you 350kt! This really is a great forum, and provided you don't start talking in L33T, a very tolerant one as well!! lol


echoed...although that is a bit naughty o you Jim......:vb_devil:

[Moavoamoatu]

Moavoamoatu: I've found it pretty useful to check the old IP competitions to see how things work and what seems to go down well. It's good from a research point of view but also the best entertainment in town - some of the best `outside the box' thinking and creativity out there.

I totally agree. I did the same ;-)

[Morf]

hmmm...it's scary that our community members have much in common with a std....

lol!!

Glad to have you 350kt! This really is a great forum, and provided you don't start talking in L33T, a very tolerant one as well!! lol

Pure evil.

[Thryth]

@350kilotons Thanks. It was a fun round, I don't know if you should consider yourself out yet, there hasn't been any judging. :) I share your seclusion in the hobby, as I do not know anyone locally who paints. It's all a bit of trial-and-error for myself as well. I find the Wyrd contests good for pushing myself, and I've gotten answers to specific painting questions by asking here.

@supervike Technically, it wasn't leet.

[demonherald]

well my results are in.....great work all.. I'm actually glad for a few DNF'ers made it a bit easier,,.. Now I will go and reinforce my anti Lynch mob defences for when the results are posted.... Will post comments after results done.. again great stuff........

[Bexley]

So, who are the judges this time around? Are there four now, or is someone from the last IP not judging? I'd hate to think I'm blackmailing the wrong people...

[demonherald]

me Anders and Eric I believe.. Nathan is set to be an extremely busy chappy over the next few weeks (or months) ...

[Bexley]

I suspected that Nathan might be the one. Especially with GenCon coming up.

[Ben$quig]

Am i blind? I can't find any results from previous Iron Painters... other than the gallery indication of who dropped out and who made it through based on who kept posting pics....

Wukk there be a thread "Round 1 results" where it's like:
DangerousDan v Mousebutter
Winner: Mousebutter

Elephantofmars v HelperDude
Winner Elephantofmars

or similar??? Or will it be jumbled in amongst a different thread?


Ciao

BenSquig

[Ben$quig]

ok so it seems I was blind and missed the results threads completely...

Ignore that post in totality...

Gah... have a day off, brain turn to mush...

Sorry!

EmbarrasedSquig

[Thryth]

Just a question to pass the time while awaiting the judges...

Does anyone know what the default sorting of the images is in the IP gallery? The drop-down defaults to filename, but that is not the case. Is something broken in the gallery? I would have assume date-ordering by default.

[Ritual]

@Thryth
One piece moved while I was judging so I nearly missed it... If I hadn't counted the number of entries I had voted on I would have...

My votes are in, and I did comment on all entries. The comments come with the scores so you'll have to wait till Vikey presents the scores.

[Duende]

I noticed the order of the images keep changing too. After watching a while, it seem to be by most recently commented on. My images was last for awhile, but as soon as it got a new comment, it moved to first and has been moving back in order since. (I also tested this when I was leaving comments, how they moved around). It's kinda annoying, I missed seeing a few because of this. Can they be set to default to sort by upload date?

[Hinton]

I noticed the order of the images keep changing too. After watching a while, it seem to be by most recently commented on.

I noticed that they moved as I commented on them as well. After the first two or three, I started opening them in a new window. The images can be sorted by upload date (as well as last comment, size, rating, etc), but I don't know if commenting on them would then cause the images to be be moved to the top.

[Morf]

One piece moved while I was judging so I nearly missed it... If I hadn't counted the number of entries I had voted on I would have...


Actually is there a way of stopping the pics from moving? I think it's a new thing. It is very confusing. What others think?

[Bexley]

I agree! I vote for anything that creates more work for FF. (Kidding!)

[Commander Y]

I agree! I vote for anything that creates more work for FF. (Kidding!)

And I agree with anyone wearing a life-size Spy vs Spy mask!

[EricJ]

wow, looks like I'm the hold up this round, bad Eric! So for the sake of speed, I can't promise comments this round either, like Anders, but I'll try to get my scores in ASAP.

Basically, if you're going to bribe, you still have time :D

[Ben$quig]

Awesome!

While I am quite content with the judging process to take as long as it needs to, I am also equally eager to know what scores have been given!

It's nice to get an update on timelines.

I'll wait paitently for the 'results' thread... looking forward to it! :)

:ciao:

BenSquig

[Frustrated Father]

I'll take a look at the gallery and see what is up. I didn't make the category this time around so its possible that something might have been overlooked or I hit a switch somewhere and it was missed.

[supervike]

I'll take a look at the gallery and see what is up. I didn't make the category this time around so its possible that something might have been overlooked or I hit a switch somewhere and it was missed.

In laymens terms,


This is probably supervike's fault....


:ciao:

[Frustrated Father]

Should be fixed now.

[Frustrated Father]

In laymens terms,


This is probably supervike's fault....


:ciao:


Nah, was mine. For some reason I had the sub categories set where I was changing them out each time to 'latest' and I had the parent category set to 'most active'. I changed the parent category to most active and then made all the sub categories follow its direction.

Basically, I was doing it ass backwards and should have done that a while back instead of flipping switches each and every time.

[Hinton]

Basically, I was doing it ass backwards and should have done that a while back instead of flipping switches each and every time.

But flipping switches can be so much fun!

[EricJ]

ok, my judging is in, just finished it off and sent it to s-vike, but please don't feel like you need to stop the bribes :)

now you can all blame SV for keeping you waiting :D

[Ritual]

Allow Vikey at least the rest of the week to complete the gruelling task of adding our scores! But, don't expect the sums to be correct! :peep:


(...or the spelling)

[Darklord]

my opponent was a DNF but with vikes notorious arithmatic i still might not get through (esoecially now i've said that!!)

[Dragonforge]

I have complete faith that Supervike will post the correct scores with proper spelling..











Please don't make me look like a fool :P

[vincegamer]

hahaha. Proper Spelling. hahaha.
He intentionally misspells my name now

[supervike]

hahaha. Proper Spelling. hahaha.
He intentionally misspells my name now


You've no proof of any of that vanceGamer!


And to the rest of you....

I thought I was immune to smack talk, I mean really, aren't we a bit old for this stuff?

Besides, I'm a delicate flower, you shouldn't bruise me so!

[LavronYor]

I don't think he has ever spelled my name correctly....

[Commander Y]

Man...

I popped on to see if SuperVike had done any math yet... and saw no real activity. But noticed that SV was "online!"

Went to his profile, and it told me his current activity was "Creating a new thread in "The Iron Painter.""

Great - so I'll wander about a bit and keep refreshing the forum (assuming, of course, that the "new thread" was going to be the results, and maybe even the new theme).

Well - no new thread. No new post. And now he's offline.

Sniffle. Whimper. Cry.

[Bexley]

I wouldn't expect anything before 9ish tomorrow morning. It might happen before then, but that seems to be when the scores usually go up, if I remember correctly.

[supervike]

AH! I'm on line and the results are IN!!!!

[Bexley]

Man, I'm just all kinds of wrong today.

[supervike]

Man, I'm just all kinds of wrong today.


Not really, as you were right...that is usually my dead time at work, so I get my fun stuff done....

But lately, my work is balls to the wall, so I actually had to do this on my own time!!

BASTARDS expecting me to work at work!

[EricJ]

yeah, the system is sneeky, if a big post takes longer than 15 minutes to put together, the user will show as offline...in super stealth-posting mode!

[supervike]

Get yer last licks in....I'm closing this thread in a short while!!

[Darklord]

ooh its nearly here, that first few minutes of puzzlement at the new theme!!

[Brushmistress]

1....2....3.... that's how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Iron Painter...
OK- that's only vaguely inappropriate.

[supervike]

1....2....3.... that's how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Iron Painter...
OK- that's only vaguely inappropriate.

Or vaguely appropriate.... wink wink...

[Darklord]

and we are back to carry on type humour!!