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diehard
03-26-2008, 10:12 PM
As I've already expressed here my affection for Klocke's female sculpts and how that led me to Wyrd miniatures, I'll begin by saying how happy I was last week when I finally got my hands on Lillith and her Brood. Now, as attractive as the OSL effects on the gallery models are, the bare metal looked even nicer and there were quite a few details not readily apparent in the gallery photos that just increased my appreciation of these models. Lillith instantly became my current favorite miniature of all time. The last holder of that title lasted for almost two years. And this is from a guy who built a large Jungle Fighter army because I really liked the Captain with the power fist.

Now although I'm almost done with a squad of eight models and right in the middle of three character models, these moved to the front of the queue. Over the next couple nights I proceeded to get the Swiss files out and get the cleaned up. I'm a stickler for mould lines as it seems that almost invisible mold line when you're filing sticks out like a sore thumb after you put some paint on it. I found the casting to be top notch, the molds met evenly without the slightest hint of miscast and left the faintest mold lines that were fairly easy to follow (aside from those few murky areas you always seem to find) and involved no major filing work to clean up. Also impressive was the lack of uncast extensions, especially considering all those little Nephelim fingers. No broken parts except for two tiny tips of the big Nephs tail and that was easily remedied with a little filing.

Following that I drilled all the holes for pinning the models the next evening. Now, I pin any model that is going to see any amount of handling and as I knew I would be using these to take Malifaux around the block there was no question about it in my mind. But i have to say that the contact areas were all very nicely executed and that if you mostly intended for the models to sit on the display shelf you could probably get away pretty easy without pinning. The next afternoon (got out early for Good Friday) I got the glue out and pinned and assembled everybody. As I wasn't sure which direction I wanted to go with them yet (more of that anon) I lightly tacked them to their bases and glued some gravel down so they would be ready when I was. This way I could easily remove them or reinforce them depending on what I decided to do. Then i glued them to popsickle sticks with white glue (I've been doing that since the mid eighties) and primed them white the following morning.

Now, as I found this site to be really pro painting and modeling, and they are indeed Wyrd minis, I've decided to try something a little different and get a little feedback on my ideas. And if anyone is interested, I'll update you on the project as it progresses. My inital idea was one that had been floating about for a bit. I do a lot of B&W drawings and at one point picked up a set of markers in shades of black (10% gray, 20% grey, etc.) and had long thought it would be cool to do some minis monotone. I felt this idea would work well with the unnatural quality of the Neverborn. This wouldn't work well with themed bases, but could be carried off nicely with swirling mists about their feet (which I'd have to figure out how to pull off, but I'd crodd that bridge, well, you know.)

But when I first looked at that big Nephilim all I could see was a Jack Kirby "Tales to Astonish" cover monster. That's meant as a compliment, I've been drawing for over forty years and count Kirby as among my biggest influences. I started thinking about how I could carry the Kirby style to 3D and the idea just took off. At that point the big guy would forever be referred to as Kirby.

Lilly (Hey, he's Kirby now so.........) would be no problem. The sculpt was prime for the Kirby god stuff (Asgard, Hela, the Enchantress.) Oh, it'd involve a bit of freehand, but it'd be worth it. The little guys would be perfect to differentiate using vaious Kirby effect. The Thing rock effect (Stoney), the Torch fire effect (Smokey), the dotted vortex effect (Stormy) and the scaly effect (Shorty [C'mon, everybody always picks on the short guy, and I haven't come up with anything better yet.])

Now I like both ideas and I'm thinking the montone effect might just enhance the whole Kirby concept, but maybe I'm just over enthusiastic too. I don't know, but I'd be interested if anybody else cared to offer their input. Regardless, thank you for the valuable time you spent reading my meandering.

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Frustrated Father
03-26-2008, 10:36 PM
Love reading this sort of stuff, particularly if it paints (hah, pun) Wyrd well, but I'm honest enough that I would like to hear the bad stuff as well so feel free to fire away.

Looks like you've got a great start on this group and I really look forward to seeing what you come up with on these and waiting to read more of your meanderings.

demonherald
03-26-2008, 11:02 PM
Cool I like the idea very much very fitting for them... I have to say like you Lillith is at the top of my favourite sculpts in hand I was pleasantly surprised when I first got hold of her which is a rare thing these days..

Monotone is a tricky thing to pull off but there are a few pointers I can offer...

one make sure all your layers are smooth...Any ireggularities can really bring a Monotone job down...

As well as Black and white use other colors to vary the grey tones.. blues greens and pinks work well but be subtle with them.
Photoshop or any other editing program can be a useful reference tool.. either take pics of the models or better still some painted examples and convert them to monotone in the program..It's interestin looking at monotone like this has it gives an indicator of how different colours translat and it can differ a lot more than you first think...

The biggest difference for monotone between 2 and 3D though is the shading of the shapes..I personally would tackle it by basecoating in my lightest intended shade and then glazing down the colour with a very thin shadow colour.There are a few threads discussing this here and there as well as some cool examples.. when it is a reasonable hour this end I'll have a look unless of course someone can jump in with some examples here...(hint)

anyways good luck with it and definitely look forward to more msings and updates...

Wren
03-26-2008, 11:59 PM
Sounds like a very interesting project! I look forward to seeing how you progress with it.

Out of curiousity, what was the model that Lilith unseated as all-time fave?

I'm impressed with her too, she was in the prize pack I recently received (thanks FF!) and has a number of subtleties and details I didn't appreciate in photos only. Though she'll have to wait a while to get into my paint queue as I've just recently painted something with loads of boot buckles (http://www.darkswordminiatures.com/gallery/set10_FemaleGothWarrior.htm) and don't feel up to another just now. ;->

diehard
03-28-2008, 11:15 PM
Very little painting (or typing) this week as I injured my right rotater cup (ouch!) Nonetheless,

@FF - If my little review seemed overly positive it wasn'y intended to be a "Wyrd is great!" post (although so far I think it is pretty great) those are honestly the major points I consider when purchasing a miniature. Paint only accentuates the flaws on a mini so those things are really important to me if I'm going to invest my time painting something for the sheer enjoyment of it all. If i find an issue I'll certainly mention it as I want to see you continue to put out a superior product. My only issue was aesthetic, I didn't like the ribbed soles of Lilly's boots so I filed them down flat.

@demonherald - Thank you for the valuable insight. I'm thinking I'm going with my original idea. I'm a big fan of experimenting after all these years and like to challenge myself, and besides, you never know when you'll come up with something cool you never thought of before. I'll play around with some basing ideas till my shoulder improves and hopefully can start on them shortly.

@Wren - The previous titleholder was Klockes' Female Archeologist figure, so at least they're keeping it in the family. And while I will maintain that it's a beautiful looking sculpt, the fact that I have very fond memories of the original Tomb Raider game might have had a little something to do with it.

Thanks for the feedback and I will update on this project as it proceeds apace.

Frustrated Father
03-28-2008, 11:34 PM
Hey, Wyrd is Great!

Heh, seriously, it didn't come off as that at all, though naturally I would love to have rabbid fanboys/girls/guys/gals/oldsters that beat down the doors ... erm .. where was I going with that ...

Sorry to hear about the rotator cup, I've torn my right one a couple of times and should have had surgery for it but the muscles about it have compensated to such a fashion that it would be more damage and down time than its worth to fix it these days. Do get the occasional twinge and deep hurt though still.

supervike
03-28-2008, 11:42 PM
Cool! This inspires me to have a go at painting once again.

I'll be watching this with interest!

Wren
03-29-2008, 01:03 AM
Nothing wrong with fond memories influencing a preference for minis. Sorry to hear about your rotator, hope it feels better soon.

Frustrated Father
05-28-2008, 01:45 PM
So how did the rotator go? Back to painting as of yet as I'm rather curious where you have gone with these blighters.

EricJ
05-28-2008, 01:53 PM
yeah, me too! the masses want to see pretty painted things :)

diehard
05-28-2008, 06:25 PM
Heh, actually I'm just starting them right now. The shoulder is almost back up to snuff, but a couple weeks ago I got poked in the eye with a vacumn cleaner (long but funny story for another day.) That's why I've not been so active on the forums, I scratched my eye and bright light made my eye tear so computers, TV, painting and even driving was tough. Switching back to glasses from contacts really skewed my perspective too. But I just cleaned my painting desk off this past holiday weekend and finished up a squad I had mostly done and feel comfortable painting again.

I have to finish off some character sketches for an animation proposal (comission job) that fell behind due to the eye thing but then I'm good to go. I expect to return to this project next and you can expect the first update sometime this weekend. As long as I don't offend the paint gods anymore!

Jabberwocky
05-31-2008, 10:39 PM
Glad to hear you are feeling better--let's see some paint!

Peterdita
08-11-2008, 06:32 PM
Excuse me as I jump into this thread, but any updates? I would love to hear the story about the vacumn and see how these minis came out. The idea sounded awesome, so I'd love to see the outcome...