IP Winners Announced Season 4 RD 3

[supervike]

HELLO!

Another fantastic round, with everyone finishing except poor Bexley! But, he is still showing some 'metal' by trudging on with the mini that almost defeated him. But, on to it!!


The WINNERS are in RED. Losers please arrange for your booty prize.

OH BY THE WAY!! I STILL AM GIVING OUT PARTICIPATION PRIZES!! So, just because I haven't done so yet, doesn't mean you don't have a chance....ALL the contestants are still eligible for them, but I'll do it all at the 'end' of this season.

Thryth 44.5 vs Skya 49.5
Morf 53.5 vs. Wren 53.5 explanation will follow
Beezlebrush 46.5 vs. Slidedog 44.5
Brushmistresss 48.5 vs Youngwolf7 48
Stubbdog 47.6 vs Skrivanek 36.5
Bexley DNF vs. r2j1 46
Dragonforge 48 vs Demonherald 56

WOW! Unbelievably close on all accounts!

Now, I do double check my entries, and have my handy dandy spreadsheet do the math, but, I'll just say that these final scores aren't final until I announce the next round.

Wren wins over Morf because even though they are TIED, Wren has .5 MORE in theme than Morf did.

BUT>>>>unless my eyes decieve me, Morf is eligible for the HEY GIVE ME ANOTHER CHANCE award, since he is the highest scoring NON winner.

I'll post the official ballots a bit later this evening!

CONGRATULATIONS to the Winners!

[Hinton]

Congrats to everyone and good luck to those advancing to the next round.

[Thryth]

Congratulations to the winners.

Congratulations Skya, nicely done. I will PM you later (I'll dig through my list of miniatures, and see if I can come-up with some choices for you.)

[YoungWolf7]

I'll wait for the math to be double checked. ;)

Good show Brushmistress. :)

[Dragonforge]

Man I got hammered.... Congrats DH..told you you would win..

[slidedog]

Congrats Beelzebrush well met. Good luck to all in the next round and I hope to give it a go again next season!

[supervike]

Here are the actual ballots, just cut and pasted from my PMs

FRUSTRATED FATHER:

Skrivanek
Technique: 3
Theme: 2.5
Overall: 6.5

Skya
Technique: 4
Theme: 5
Overall: 8

Wren
Technique: 4
Theme: 4.5
Overall: 9

Slidedog
Technique: 3
Theme: 3.5
Overall: 7.5

Youngwolf
Technique: 4
Theme: 4.5
Overall: 8.5

Beelzebrush
Technique: 3.5
Theme: 3.5
Overall: 8.5

Brushmistress
Technique: 3.5
Theme: 4.5
Overall: 8.5

Demonherald
Technique: 5
Theme: 5
Overall: 10

Thryth
Technique: 3
Theme: 3
Overall: 7.5

Stubbdog
Technique: 3
Theme: 4
Overall: 7.5

Dragonforge
Technique: 4
Theme: 4
Overall: 8

r2-j1
Technique: 3.5
Theme: 3.5
Overall: 8

Morf
Technique: 5
Theme: 5
Overall: 10


ERIC


Here it is! Add good now :)

Shrivanek
Technical = 3.5
Theme = 2
Overall = 6.5
Notes: While the painting does look good, and the red bits are well done, I can't help but feel that the red background was a bit of overcompensation on the theme. I like what you've done with the model, but perhaps your time restrictions got the best of you this round on really applying the theme, although I completely appreciate your efforts to get it in and not a DNF

Skya
Technical = 4
Theme = 4.5
Overall = 8
Notes: I admit, this one made me smile when I first saw it, and it's a very clever use of the theme, with dual ways to read your piece, both with cyclops vision, and with his target. There are some places I think might have looked smoother if you had a little more time, or if the minis were a bit smoother, but overall nice work

Wren
Technical = 4.5
Theme = 4.5
Overall = 8.5
Notes: Great piece, and gets me in the holiday spirit! The blending is great and the freehand looks great as well, and the construction of the scene is right on. I’m impressed!

Slidedog
Technical = 3
Theme = 4
Overall = 7.5
Notes: I like the scene you’ve created here, and you’ve definitely applied the theme. Overall there are some rough places in the painting, which brings down your score some, and I bet with more time to smooth your blends this piece would pick up a few more points. Nice results though!

Youngwolf7
Technical = 4.5
Theme = 4
Overall = 9
Notes: I have to admit when I first saw it, my first thought was “he did that in 2 weeks!” which I think is a good thing and reflects in your scores. Nice looking painting, good composition, not as innovative use of red as some, but since it works so well in this piece you get points.

Beelzebrush
Technical = 4
Theme = 4
Overall = 8
Notes: I can’t tell if I like it or am really creeped out by it, which I think is a good thing. Nice use of the red theme, and the whole piece is painted good enough to be convincingly creepy, although I see some roughness at places in the painting/sculpting, for this time period and the fact you’re taking on a project like this for the first time impresses me! Great work.

Brushmistress
Technical = 4.5
Theme = 4
Overall = 9
Notes: The first thing I notice is now nicely painted that bull is, and the metallics in particular really stand out for me, nice work there. I think the goblin is simply sculpted a bit rougher, and therefore doesn’t look at clean, but the figure fits your scene perfectly, so it works for me. Overall a great scene which really works to the theme and tells a story.

Demonherald
Technical = 4.5
Theme = 5
Overall = 9.5
Notes: I think this is my favorite piece this round, and the only thing bringing it down is the slight roughness here and there which I can attribute to the short time period involved. Otherwise it’s a great use of the theme in 2 or 3 different ways, it’s a great scene which is just full of story, and the overall simply a well constructed piece.

Thryth
Technical = 3.5
Theme = 4
Overall = 7.5
Notes: The red skull does create an interesting scene, but just not as complete a story as we’ve seen in some of the others this round. The painting is good, but blending could be smoothed in a few places, particularly in the hair, and I’d like to see a better view of the face, as we don’t have a good shot straight on. Nice work on the hand and feet though, I think that is the cleanest paintwork. And the marble floor is really well painted.

Stubbdog
Technical = 4.5
Theme = 4.5
Overall = 9.1 (yes, I mean .1, just a little more than a 9 for me, but not quite 9.5, so the .1 is a tiebreaker )
Notes: Man, another that I look at and am impressed you did this in 2 weeks. The flag looks great, and the red/gold combo works well on this piece, and mixing in the OSL element was really nice as well. There is certainly a lot of places where the blending could be smoothed, and the “dark” side of the mini does look a little dull and flat (which is one of the definite hard parts about doing OSL. Overall great work in the time given, impressive.

Dragonforge
Technical = 4.5
Theme = 4
Overall = 8.5
Notes: I have to admit I was wondering what you were going to do with the IG in the red theme, but you pulled it off. I think traitor guard work well to your skills due to your skill at weathering and corroding. Really nice work.

R2-J1
Technical = 4
Theme = 4.5
Overall = 7.5
Notes = I think you were the only person to really focus their piece on multiple different shades of red, which I got to give you points for, as each of them turned out great and the blending is really nicely done on those darn imps! But while your painting and theme are both strong, the overall score is brought down a little by lack of the storytelling element seen in so many other piece, and they seem rather just placed there. However, strong comeback after the last round.

Morf
Technical = 4
Theme = 4
Overall = 8.5
Notes: Nice scene, and the painting fits it well and creates a nice ambiance here. There are places the blending could be smoother, or the lines sharper, but it’s so hard in black/white to trick the eye with our blends. The use of theme is nice also, and actually one of the only blood uses. Nice work.

Anders:

Here goes... no comments this time as I simply can't manage... I'm off to lie down now.

skrivanek:
theme: 2
technique: 3.5
overall: 7

skya:
theme: 5
technique: 4
overall: 7

wren:
theme: 4.5
technique: 5
overall: 9

slidedog:
theme: 4
technique: 4
overall: 8

YoungWolf7:
theme: 3
technique: 3.5
overall: 7

Beelzebrush:
theme: 3.5
technique: 3.5
overall: 8

Brushmistress:
theme: 3.5
technique: 4
overall: 7

demonherald:
theme: 4
technique: 4
overall: 9

Thryth:
theme: 4
technique: 4
overall: 8

stubbdog:
theme: 3
technique: 4
overall: 8

Dragonforge:
theme: 4
technique: 4
overall: 7

r2-j1:
theme: 3
technique: 4
overall: 8

Morf:
theme: 4
technique: 4
overall: 9


PLEASE NOTE that Nathan and Eric do their votes with technique and theme swapped around. I correct this on my spreadsheet, so the appropriate score gets to th appropriate column.

I'll have a breakdown a bit later too.

[stubbdog]

Congrats to all the winners... and really to all the participants for making this a great competition.

I wait in anticipation to find out what the next round holds...

[r2-j1]

I'm glad to have scored half way decent this time. I'm a little disappointed by my theme scoring from a couple of the judges, as I thought I was really strong in that category this round. I guess I just can't find the right wavelength for my themes to score well. I'll just have to keep working on it.

Twas a good round though, and congrats to the winners.

[EricJ]

man, I'm the only judge with comments?! it's because I love you all that much more :D

Great job everyone, a really impressive showing overall! and some really really really tight competitions mixed in there! I have to admit, it's hard saying good bye to the competitors each round, as I want to see what you'd do next theme!

[Dragonforge]

man, I'm the only judge with comments?! it's because I love you all that much more :D

Great job everyone, a really impressive showing overall! and some really really really tight competitions mixed in there! I have to admit, it's hard saying good bye to the competitors each round, as I want to see what you'd do next theme!

Well I will still probably do the next round for the shits and Giggles of it.. I have to garner a little respect back for the beating I took this round..

It's been fun so far..this theme just threw me..

[Wren]

Congrats to everyone involved in the round. Very interesting results! Morf, I'm honoured to have tied with you! I still need to comment on some of the pieces, started on it today but had to leave for my weekly game night before I could finish. I'll try to get that done tomorrow.

[Thryth]

@r2-j1: I seem to have the same problem with the themes for the most part. :(

@EricJ: Thanks for commenting. It's hard to say goodbye from this side too! :(

[supervike]

Here's a few scoring tidbits regarding this round:

BEST IN THEME:

Skya 14.5
Demonherald 14
Wren 13.5

BEST IN TECHNIQUE:
Demonherald 13.5
Wren 13.5
Morf 13

Best in Overall Aesthetic:

Demonherald 28.5
Morf 27.5
Wren 26.5

Biggest Margin of Victory

11.1 Stubbdog over a very red Skrivanek (odd number thanks to Eric)
8 points Demonherald over a fantastic entry by Dragonforge.

Smallest Margin of Victory


Wren and Morf in a Theme Score tie breaker....
Brushmistress over Youngwolf by a measly .5 points!
Beelzebrush over Slidedog in a heartbreaker...2 points!

This rounds Women Painters.

3 wins 0 defeats.

[supervike]

OH, and if anyone is still up and kicking. I just drew for the next theme and matchups. OMG! Great matchups to come. Should I post those tonight, or wait until everyone gets a chance to double check my scoring?

[Skya]

Tonight! You even have to ask?????

[EldinTux]

Geat job everyone, really high quality ork done.

@Thtyth I haven't forgotten your mini, should be on its way this week.

[Morf]

Hahahaha!

Winning by losing is great, especially with second highest score!
Now since I lose while I win, I owe you something right? :stupido:

I'm theming my entries as I go (comic book styles: Hellboy, Super Heroes, Sin City), can't wait to see the new one?

[demonherald]

Yay.......sorry jeff hope you get something done next round look forward to more guard themes..
I'm gonna lie down now as I think I have some sort of mutated illness hybrid of Anders' headcold and Nathans Migraine..In short I feel like S%*t.......cheers for the work again judges ....

[Sculpta the squig]

OH, and if anyone is still up and kicking. I just drew for the next theme and matchups. OMG! Great matchups to come. Should I post those tonight, or wait until everyone gets a chance to double check my scoring?


Post them NOW!;)... please?

Squig

[Beelzebrush]

Whew! Close one!

Thanks for the tough competition slidedog and sorry to see you go. I'm glad to have won through to the next round... but I think I'll leave the sculpting for the next round lol



I'm gonna lie down now as I think I have some sort of mutated illness hybrid of Anders' headcold and Nathans Migraine..In short I feel like S%*t.......cheers for the work again judges ....


Weird... I feel somewhat similar. I'm starting to wonder if it's down to all the brush-licking :D

[Beelzebrush]

AYe... getting the theme soonly would be ace. I'll probably need to order some bits and bobs for this round and given the tardy postal service around here, I'll probably need some time :D

@ Demonherald...

Where do you order your minis from? And are they quick to deliver? Cheers!

[Skya]

Double checked the numbers for you Vike, looks like you're good.

[DrEvilmonki]

Congratulations everyone.

[Hinton]

I put the numbers into my spreadsheet and it matches what you came up with, vike.

[Duende]

Congrats to all the winners! There were come close ones there and I'm really glad to see all the ladies moving on. :D (Sorry guys!!!)

And Vike got all the numbers right!!?? Maybe he should tabulate when tired and sleepy more often. ;)

[supervike]

EEEK!! Sorry folks...I got busy at work, and when I got home at 4am, I was just too tired.

But, I'm up and raring to go now....the new thread will be up in minutes.

Hate to be such a tease!!

[Brushmistress]

@YoungWolf7-Good show! I was terrified that round- definitely the hardest so far for me.
What's the new theme?! I can't wait!
@ DragonForge-Sorry to see you go- you have to do something for "I Think I Can"


GO GIRL PAINTERS!

[stubbdog]

Congrats to Demonherald...

Another practically perfect score.

Judges, could you please give public account related to DH's scoring. I am interested once again intrying to figure out what it is that you guys are looking for. My personal opinion was that DH's idea was awesome, the story behind his was awesome, but that the technique / execution of it was actually not that good. Just my personal opinion, but thats what I thought.

It looked hurried. Had little to no shading or highlighting. The drybrushing looked rough and uneven. And the photo-fu looked a littl washed out. Again, all just my opinions.

Not trying in anyway to bash on DH and I hpe he is not reading this post that way. Just trying to understand the judges since it is obvious from the scores that the judges thought otherwise.

Thanks for any insight you can help me with for the next round.

[Wren]

Now since I lose while I win, I owe you something right? :stupido:

I'm theming my entries as I go (comic book styles: Hellboy, Super Heroes, Sin City), can't wait to see the new one?

Ummm... no clue actually. What's the protocol on that sv?

I am looking forward to seeing your entry, the comic book stuff is a lot of fun! And sidekicks, well that's almost making it too easy if you're going for something comic book. ;->

[supervike]

Yup, technically, he lost, so yeah.

[EricJ]

Stubbdog, I think for me what really worked for Demonheralds piece was the combination of a few factors. First he used the theme on several different levels, from the character, to the sin city type effect, to the blood, which I think was very important in his score. The overall score was high because of a few factors. First for me was the overall completeness of the piece, framed with the nice background, and with a base which looked quite real. Second due to the story-telling aspect of the scene which draws the interest and makes you think about everything going on here, and finally, and most important to me, is that it created an overall ambiance and feeling to it which gives a much more gut reaction rather than intellectual one, not sure if I'm explaining that well, but just that it draws you in on a different level.

I agree that pure painting-wise there are some problems with both the brushwork and the photography work, and I'd love to see him put some more hours into it to really polish those things, but for me, technically he made up for this some with his basework, scene construction, and stylistic choices which actually perhaps favor rougher, more muted brushwork.

just my opinions, but his more than any others made me thing "cool" when I saw it

[Morf]

Yup, I've been following the scores for some time and there are a few things that I absolutely disagree with ( I can bitch cause I'm still in!) but then again, it's not math or chemistry it is absolutely based on impression and having a particular liking in somebody's painting style is perfectly acceptable. As long as I don't see people being favored just because they are (put the name of any forum's favorite painter), that's fine with me.

[Ritual]

@stubbdog
I reasoned pretty much in the same way Eric did. If you look at my scores you both got the same number in technique, but demonherald got higher numbers in theme and overall pretty much due to what Eric described. You got a pretty high overall score too, because your entry was really well done and looked great. Demonherald got an extra point for that immediate "coolness" about his entry.

This may seem very subjective to people, and of course, it is! That's the reason we have three judges and not one.

[supervike]

@stubbdog
This may seem very subjective to people, and of course, it is! That's the reason we have three judges and not one.


Absolutely. It's obviously not a perfect system, but 'rating' art could never be so anyhow. Also, i wouldn't expect to see perfect consistancy from the voting each time. Moods, impressions, how your day went, all have a real impact on the judges, and although they still remain as fair and even as they can, they are all human (or at least very close facsimilies of).

We went with more judges before, and to be honest, I didn't feel it ran as smoothly with more.

I'd was surprised at seeing some of the scores as well. I know I would've judged differently, but THAT is the strength of it...besides, it's not my butt on the line when judging...

[Brushmistress]

@Stubbdog- Why are you so concerned about DemonHerald anyhow (you advanced to round 4 regardless)?- He's not your opponent this round...I am...and I am ready!:vb_devil:

[stubbdog]

@the judges...
Thanks for the explanation.

@ritual...
Apologies, I wasnt trying to fish for why he scored better than me.. Just why he scored well by himself... Not sure how to word that right...

@brushmistress... I am not worried about Demonherald or any other painter in general.. just happens that he got the highest score again which means that he is doing something right for the judges and I am trying to figure out what that is so that I can improve my own iron for this next round to try and keep up with awesome painters such as yourself.

[Brushmistress]

@brushmistress... I am not worried about Demonherald or any other painter in general.. just happens that he got the highest score again which means that he is doing something right for the judges and I am trying to figure out what that is so that I can improve my own iron for this next round to try and keep up with awesome painters such as yourself.

I do understand your questions regarding how judging is done, but art is purely subjective. I am constantly pondering how to impress, but when you get down to it, you have to do something with no holds barred. Push yourself, use every nook and cranny of your imagination & talent and don't look back.

[Bexley]

I would like to question the scoring as well. I feel that it has a strong favoritism towards those that have finished their entries, and that such Finishism is wholly intolerable.

[demonherald]

wahey I've got my own public bashing thread...hee hee
in answer to it I guess at the end of the day we have totally different tastes..In fairness I was a little shocked on the score but at the same time I put a lot of thought ,,rethought and redo's into the theme /story aspect..
The piece itself I am happy with and will A) get better Pics done and B) Tidy up the odd area...
I agree parts are a bit rough but in all fairness that is intentional and adds a sketch style effect which is what I was aiming for.. The base has a hell of a lot of work in terms of constructing a natural setting..so the trees are laid in the soil the grass on top of the soil and the leaves fallen on top.. each layer is painted with it's own colours and highlighted up through greys which has it's own problems to pull off and to avoid washing and losin altogether which it as on some shots..
The key thing was about balance story and Seeing Red...I have just painted up a ton of Blood Angels stuff and could have easily gone with a Red model but the story needed to be more...The Red is not just RED riding hood..But the 3 points from Red hood to mushrooms to wolf follow the path of the bullet and tell the story..You look at the entry you see red the red tells the story...

The elements of this are a big risk and something the judges either get or don't but that is the risk....worked this round but may not another...
hopefully that explains it a bit from my point...and don't worry I don't take offense...

[demonherald]

@beelzebrush I usea ton of different suppliers for different tings some are quick some slow...drop me a PM when you decide what Your after and I'll see where I can help....

[DrEvilmonki]

In the two IP's I have been in I have had scores both higher and lower than I thought. Same as my CMON gallery. Doesn't mean those scores are wrong, just that they are different.

[Skya]

@Morf:

Honestly I thought Demonherald pulled off a top notch entry. If I'd been judging I'd have pulled it down a point on the technical and a point on the overall specifically because of the photography. It's all about the impact of the piece and what you're trying to get across. Judging technical in my book there are three main things to look at. How well did the effect that was trying to be achieved come across, does the overall composition draw you into the piece, and is there anything in the painting/sculpting/building that detracts from those two points. So as well as the colored photo look which I thought was a very cool, innovative idea, that came across well Demonherald's story came across clearly in the compositional set up of the basework. The dynamic pose of the wolf, the almost dolllikeness of the red ridinghood chosen (the hasslefree figure was perfect for this piece, it added to the feel of being out of a children's storybook) and the way the red pulls your eye across the piece was top notch well thought out composition that brings out a distinctive understanding of what's going on and gut reaction of, "oh wow theres a twist on that story." Looking at what detracted overall from those impressions the main thing was the photography. I also felt the wolf could have been darker to contrast him with the terrain a bit more, although having the piece photographed on a darker background might do the trick as well. The mushrooms could have been a bit smaller so that they didnt become quite as much of a focal point, but at that point I'm really nitpicking and none of the things just mentioned are enough to distract me from the overall piece where I'm sitting there thinking, "wow." I didnt even notice the rougher painting of the basework, because it conveyed the effect it needed to and the painting on the figure was smooth and soft as I'd expect in that kind of a photo. On a theme basis the use of red in the piece was highly effective at telling the story, and had a couple of twists at how you could look at it. The wolf seeing Red Ridinghood, Red Ridinghood seeing red shooting the wolf. The combination of which puts it spot on for theme for me. Overall gets a bit rougher and less precise. Overall is very much about the impact of a piece. Does it catch you? Does it make you want to look at it more? How much do the things that bother you about it detract from your enjoyment of it? I've seen really cool ideas where it didnt matter how cool the idea was the painting was just bad.

I actually thought your piece was quite effective as well. The painting on it was top notch and the effect itself was very cool. The blue tones with the red blood spots made for great contrast. I had a slightly harder time figuring out what was going on though. The basework doesnt give it a whole lot of context, and I really did think that the guy had been impaled or something causeing blood to splatter across his front. Once I got the effect being gone for it made a lot more sense to me, but it still didnt look right to my eye for what you were trying for. Mind you the composition of the piece works really well. The angle of the swords pull you across and then the angle of the base pulls your eye the other direction and very much conveys that the vampire is about to pounce on this guy that is feeing in panic. I like the piece a lot.

[Morf]

Thanks Skya, though I've never questioned DH supremacy. I am the one that defends the subjectivism of the judging. As somebody mentioned CMON, well, I don't agree with CMON since there is a bunch of sniping morons and a bunch of supporters that bump up the scores. Some people take it damn seriously you would not believe how important the ranking is.

On the other hand, judging in IP is usually backed up with feedback and far superior. I love reading the comments since I feel I don't improve as much as I used to a couple of years ago.

SO to sum up: I am all for the judging so far even if I don't agree with it sometimes. We all do. Happy to be through and happy Wren is too since technically she is one of my favorites.

[Skya]

Oh I understood, I just figured if the judges werent up to commenting I'd give you my take on it.

[Frustrated Father]

I've been asked privately and publicly and I'll state it here for everyone.

A lot of what comes from me points wise is the 'oh cool' factor, when I open up the picture and get my first reaction to something, seeing the work that went into something, the composition of the piece, the painting and the overall look. You can have a rougher piece but have that immediate 'fantastic' factor and it'll beat out one that is technically the most smooth piece I've seen but is rather boring overall. Atleast to me.

Judging can get tricky and I try to skim that line between being fair and not pissing people off but in the end I generally vote what comes to mind when I see the final entry and try not to take feelings into it too terribly much.

Miniatures also have something to do with it and how they are setup. Honestly, I'm not much into fantasy style miniatures (there you go, wanted a hint, got one) myself any longer and tend to favor ones that aren't following the same ol' same ol'.

For instance, Jeff (Dragonforge) is one helluva top notch painter and his last two entries into the IP just flat out blew me away. Loved them and think when he takes them to competition, he's going to walk away with something, and deservedly so. His last entry though, while technically well done, just didn't have that 'ooooh' factor. Well done, but ... well, bland (I pick on Jeff cause I know he can take it).

Ones that really caught my attention this round were Demonherald, Morph and Wren. All three of them took different routes (although the first two did involve blood of a fashion) but got that immediate 'damn well done'.

Fair, I try to be. Consistant, can't promise it. Biased, damn straight, but not towards any one painter, but more a style.

[Ritual]

Since I didn't make individual comments this round, due to me being sick and still having to be at work, I'll explain how I reason when I give out scores.

Theme: I give out 3 points if the contestant have went for the "obvious" and/or "easy" interpretation (in this case that would be using lots of red). I add points if there are more to it or a particularly clever twist. Of course, doing a weak interpretation will lose you points and you'll get less than 3.

Technique: This is all about how well painted and built the entry is. Smoothness of blends, where applicable, sharpness and detail level of freehands, basing, sculpting if that is applicable, how lighting and shading is handled, etc.

Overall: This is where the aesthetics come into play. Composition, both when it comes to colour scheme, what effects are used and what impact they make, and what "stuff" is inculded and how effectively things interact. This is perhaps the most subjective part.

[Skya]

Interesting take, I tend to lump composition into technical as well as overall, but that's probably a throwback to having had some fine art training where composition is something that's actively taught.

[Ritual]

Compostition is a skill, of course, but I don't see it as "technical".

[demonherald]

Cheers Skya it's nice to see that sme of the thins I thought about have been noticed...
hee it's al good fun really...

[Skya]

Compostition is a skill, of course, but I don't see it as "technical".

Fair enough, I actually think your way probably works better for judging miniatures which unless you are sculpting or seriously converting tend to end up with composition being more like fitting a puzzle together or giving a piece a good frame to set it off.

[Wren]

It's very interesting to read people's approaches to judging and interpreting the minis and so on, thanks everyone for posting the insights!

[Dragonforge]

ya know I never even noticed the mushrooms..When I saw the blood splatter..I knew right there DH won this round...

[Beelzebrush]

I really wanted to avoid the obvious stuff like blood etc on mine and actually keep the actual colour red to a minimum. Obviously it was a tad risky as I think I was pretty lucky to advance. I'd have lost nearly every other pair up too. Maybe I was being a tad subtle... either that or it was a crap idea lol

[YoungWolf7]

It wasn't a crap idea at all. I thought it was quite clever and ambitious. So did the judges and you were rewarded for it.

[EldinTux]

Do the 'I think I can...' entries warrant a judging this round? As people have said in the past I really appreciate the feedback.

[Beelzebrush]

My point was that I felt lucky to advance and also that it's perhaps risky to avoid obvious elements in a theme. :)