Iron Painter 4..the Kickoff

[LavronYor]

Hinton, in your photo program, see if there is an option for brightness or autocorrect. I think GIMP has that, and it is a free program.

[Hinton]

Hinton, in your photo program, see if there is an option for brightness or autocorrect. I think GIMP has that, and it is a free program.

I have GIMP and I have tried that. Problem is, it kills the color when I do it and makes things worse. It's just that I have a crappy camera and I really have no knowledge of photography or camera settings or any of that. I've tried dozens of different settings, but nothing ever seems to come out right.

I think my camera might be auto-adjusting and it's flattening the picture in the process. You know, dulling the highlights, brightening the shadows, etc.

I'll start saving up to get a decent camera, although it'll take a while for that to happen.

Thanks for the input, though.

[LavronYor]

You might try photographing it outside, not in direct sunlight, then try a blue filter or the natural light filter. Or when you are done, just bring up the red concentration.

[Dragonforge]

Done! Just posted mine.

[Althai]

Yeah, about miniature photography, it may not be a matter of the camera you are using but just of getting enough light on your subject. You have to remember that while digital cameras are pretty versatile, they're not designed with mini photography in mind, and work better with more light coming off something larger.

I've had my best results from getting multiple bright lights pointing at the mini, and then covering them with kleenex to try and diffuse the light a bit. Professional mini painters will sometimes go so far as to build a diffusion box for photographing miniatures for better results. The goal is to flood your subject with light without creating harsh shadows.


Hmmm, 61 entrants and only 18 posts so far. Either everyone is waiting until the last minute, or we're going to have a lot of DNFers.

[Jubilee]

my old camera wouldn't stop auto correcting the lighting on minis, no matter what I did, so adding more lights usually just made everything darker.. stupid thing!

I did find that diffusing the light (putting tissues over the lamps) helped a great deal - the less harsh light made my camera less likely to darken the picture for me. Also, I found in the manual that it did have a setting to adjust how light/dark to make the picture (I think it's called EV?) and upping that number to like .7 usually helped some too.

Eventually I got a new camera, though. Best 300ish dollars I spent.

[Vytis]

Finished and posted. Now back to sleep, since my painkillers are kicking in. Cheers!

[steelcult]

Finished - with 4 hours to go to take the photo, tweek it and get it up.

Damn, I need food badly - break time.

[Malebolgia]

WOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO! I finished mine.
Real life really waltzed through my last two weeks and I had no time at all (or energy or focus) to paint. But things have cleared up and yesterday and today I had two free days. I sat down and painted like a true insane Newsmonkey and behold...my entry is finished! I was very close to throwing in the towel...but then I remembered the REAL IP philosophy [enter Rocky music and training scenes] and sat down and went for it. And now she's finished...and it is a Wyrd entry.

[callumrice]

Sounds like the same motions I went through Malebolgia. Good to know you pulled through as well.

Dont give up Hinton, I went through a stage where I was told I needed to highlight more and I had brought a lot of them up to white! I had someone explain it to me though and now it seems ok. There are a few reasons why it may not look highlighted enough and here are some I had.

My lighting sucked (still does) and it was too harsh for the photos (now I dont get enough lighting but that will soon be rectified with the delivery of my new light tent hopefully).

My camera was "blending" the colours, so that if I highlighted green to nearly white, it would mush it together and like you say, lighten the shadow and dull the highlight. Just slightly, but enough so that it didnt look highlighted. Thirdly, and this one helped me a lot, Start with a much darker colour than your used to. So if your going green, start DARK green, really dark. build it up from there. Also, and I dont know if you already do this or not, a guy from my ebay group told me, nigel, when highlighting, try not to highlight up to white, but a lighter colour. There is a reason for this and ill explain in a mo. For example if I was highlighting green I would go a mix between dark angels green and black, through camo green and from there start to mix in yellow. Maybe orange first, depending on what finish your going for, but finish the final edge highlighting with a mix of about 50 50 yellow and white. It makes all the difference, believe me. So rather than going straight white, use yellow, or ice blue for dark blue, or orange for browns etc and add the white to it as appropriate. Works for me. Reason its best not to highlight up to white all the time is that it tends to become "chalky" and gives a chalky appearance to the mini. (cheers for this one Nige!) This in effect means you lose the highlighted effect cos all the colours you highlighted have been up to white.

Just dont give up posting pics!

[PaintMinion]

BTW Paint Minion, would that be Susan Wachowski? The painter of that amazing Nightbringer?

Yeppers! That's me! Well, at least I thought it was amazing...

And come on over here and say that, Mr. Dragon Forge(t)! I not only finished my Iron painter piece, but finished Anwyn and a huge dragon for the MMSI show and I got a silver medal! (doing the happy painter dance).

And sure, kneel, my Minions! Bring on the judges! Let's all party now!

[YoungWolf7]

It's a darn good thing I wrapped up yesterday. I hadn't counted on taking nearly a day to composite multiple photos. I'll have to keep that in mind for next round. (If there IS a next round for me that is...)

[EldinTux]

I have GIMP and I have tried that. Problem is, it kills the color when I do it and makes things worse. It's just that I have a crappy camera and I really have no knowledge of photography or camera settings or any of that. I've tried dozens of different settings, but nothing ever seems to come out right.

I think my camera might be auto-adjusting and it's flattening the picture in the process. You know, dulling the highlights, brightening the shadows, etc.

I'll start saving up to get a decent camera, although it'll take a while for that to happen.

Thanks for the input, though.

Hi Hinton

I've just rigged up a 'light box' to try & improve my photography. I have a cheap, crappy point & push digi camera which does have a macro setting & some white balance (although it lists it as different lighting from daylight through overcast & flourencent lighting to light bulbs).

Here is a picture of my set up.
http://www.eldintux.co.uk/images/photoalbum/9/light_box.jpg
The frame is just some cheap 1" by 1/2" beading. A back board was attached (MDF) then plain white A4 paper was put over the frame. A desk lamp with a daylight bulb is used to shine light into the box through one of the sides.

I'm not saying my pictures are fantastic but they are a definite improvement.

Next step is to get another one or two lamps, one for the other side & the other for the top. The paper diffuses the light so reduces shadow.

I then use Gimp to auto adjust the colour balance.

Hope this helps

EldinTux

[matty1001]

Yeppers! That's me! Well, at least I thought it was amazing...


Well nice to internet meet you Susan! Iv only just found out about your stuff (via an old Ravage mag here in Paris) and its excellent!

[Hinton]

Less than an hour to get entries in, correct? 31 entries out of 61 so far as of this writing.

[LavronYor]

Wheeeeeehoooo! I just got mine finished and as I was putting it in, my finger slipped and it uploaded without any additional info. Must be because I was up til 230AM painting and then back up at 830 to work til the deadline..... Ahhh, Iron.....

[slidedog]

Hey is there any way to delete something? My photo had a profile attached and looks bed, wanted to upload a new one but it doesn't seem to work. HELP!!!

[PaintMinion]

Well nice to internet meet you Susan! Iv only just found out about your stuff (via an old Ravage mag here in Paris) and its excellent!

:ahhhhh: You mean the mag where I sent 20 pictures and they reduced it to 3, and not the top 3 I would have chosen, but hey, it's their mag and they got to choose. Still, do you like my painting fairies in my picture? That's my secret. I have helpful fairies in the house. :) You can see more of my stuff on CMON under paintminion.

[stubbdog]

trying to figure out where to upload my entry?

[Wren]

Whew, made it just in time! There's some great stuff in the gallery, I look forward to browsing all the entries after I have a chance to catch my breath. Good luck everyone!

[Wren]

Stubbdog, if you go into the galleries, there's an upload photos link right under your name on the right. Once you're on that page choose the Iron Painter season 4 round 1 gallery.

[matty1001]

:ahhhhh: You mean the mag where I sent 20 pictures and they reduced it to 3, and not the top 3 I would have chosen, but hey, it's their mag and they got to choose. Still, do you like my painting fairies in my picture? That's my secret. I have helpful fairies in the house. :) You can see more of my stuff on CMON under paintminion.

Only two pics in the mag I have lol
Golden Dragon of Chaos and the Nightbringer. Great stuff, unfortunately I can't read your little bio bit as its in French lol, and I can't even order ice cream over here!
Those fairies do look rather helpful, though all exactly the same, you must have some sort of cloning device going on!

Il defo check out your gallery now lol

[PaintMinion]

Ha! I'm low on iron now and my brain has frozen...yep, 2 pics from 20, not 3. Lol!

[supervike]

Thats It....deadline Passed No More Submissions!!

[Hinton]

Thats It....deadline Passed No More Submissions!!

Only 18 DNFs; pretty good considering there were 61 entrants. As I said, a lot fewer than I expected.

[r2-j1]

I don't know, 18 DNF seems pretty high to me. I was a little disappointed. But I guess not everyone has the Iron.

[Hinton]

It is high, but I really was expecting about half of the entrants being a DNF. I'm not saying anything against anyone, just figured the more entrants there were, then the more DNFs there would be. I'm sure the judges aren't too heartbroken about it; 18 fewer for them to judge.

(P.S. Where do I send my mini or cash?)

[Bexley]

Ugh. I don't know about iron, but I had plenty of congeners in me while I painted. I was drinking gin, too, which usually doesn't give me the head-poundies the next day. It didn't help that I was super sick on two of the days I'd set aside for painitng. All in all, though, I'm pretty happy with my entry. Maybe hangovers are just the secret painting weapon I've been looking for!

[LavronYor]

Alright Vikey, what's the next category?

[Hinton]

Judges: guess it's time to test your iron. I certainly don't envy you the task before you: dozens of entries, all waiting for scores and comments. Should be an interesting week.

Good luck to all of the entrants!

[Frustrated Father]

A very nice selection of miniatures up for this theme - thanks to all of you who took the time and for you DNF'ers out there, life happens, but show us a bit of Iron by putting up what you do/did have in the WIP so we can see what you were working on.

Well done all, going to hate seeing some of you not carry on to the next theme as there are a few of you paired up that are, to me, equally good, but I'll just have to get sadistic and watch some of you putz's fall to the wayside.

:D

Again, well done.

[Skya]

Wheeeeeehoooo! I just got mine finished and as I was putting it in, my finger slipped and it uploaded without any additional info. Must be because I was up til 230AM painting and then back up at 830 to work til the deadline..... Ahhh, Iron.....

Yeah I did the same thing, but it was because I was uploading in the middle of the night after an insane day at the MMSI show and I hadnt gotten any sleep all weekend. I figure I'll just go back in and add the info I would have done in the comments.

I'm really enjoying wading through the entries though. I'd wanted to do a WW2 guy frozen in with someone leaning over him and it's good to see that the emotional impact of the scene I wanted to do came across in a couple of the other pieces people did. I can only blame myself, I had about 5 days out of the 14 to paint for this round, what with going out to Seattle, and coming back with too many things to get done before the MMSI show. It was worth it though. I'm happy with my piece I did end up with, and the show this weekend was amazing. I'm going to go and post some of the pieces I had up now.

[Sculpta the squig]

Are you allowed to change the pictures after submitting?

Squig

[supervike]

Nope, sorry Sculpta, what we have now is what we go on.

[Sculpta the squig]

Oh, Just I found some better pictures that were taken at the same time.

Squig

[Przemas]

huh, so happy i managed to complete my entry. got to do better pics. if not for the contest they`ll come in handy anyway :) .
ok, after a 3 hours of sleep (was finishing my mini to the very last moment) and a day full of work i think i`ll just go sleeping :)

[YoungWolf7]

So after checking all of the entries, here's what I see:

Lord Fishbane vs. Coil
Painterboyroy vs. Thyrth
Darklord vs. breadhead
Ringsnake vs. Morf
Callumrice vs. Beelzebrush
Blackhand vs. Bexley
Illustrange vs. goblyn13
Sculpta the Squig vs. skirvanek (unsure whether this post made the deadline)
r2-ji vs. Hinton
Przemus vs. Brushmistress
Youngwolf7 vs. Steelcult
LavronYor vs. Althai
Zly vs. Vanth
Hash vs. Dragonforge
Vytis vs. Jack
Stubbdog vs. Zaphod
Kenan vs. Ghrask Dragh
dresch vs. Uberdark
Paintminion vs. Demonherald
Skya vs. R.Crescentino
Flit vs. Bomberbug
slidedog vs. Stahler77
Jubilee vs. JakubT
deguello vs. Weirdoboy
Jed vs. Oldenhaller
leszczyk vs. EldinTux
ALizardinCrimson vs. Malebolgia
OrkyDave vs. Duende
Lono vs. Huronbh
Wren vs. Hiliter

WYRD CARD Veritas

BOLD = posted, plain = DNF

So the WYRD CARD is a DNF. I guess all of the one postings in pairings just move on then?

[skrivanek]

I did get in a couple hours late - couldn't be helped. I understand if that makes me DNF (judge, please let me know), but it was fun anyway!


Aaron

[Sculpta the squig]

It was fun pseoudo-competing agains you skirvanek

Squig

[Hinton]

I think if skrivanek was going to be classified as a DNF, the entry would have been removed. Speaking strictly for myself, I would rather lose to an entry that was a little bit late than advance because my opponent DNF'd.

@YoungWolf: The info looks right, but I'm not at my home computer, so I can't check the spreadsheet I have going for this season to verify it.

[Duende]

JakubT should be bolded. He has the "Ghool King" entry.

Even though skrivanek was an hour or so late, I'd say be lenient and allow it *this time* since it's at least one less DNF (and more work for the judges, *nyah, nyah*). But let it be a warning for future rounds, Irons Painters are expected to be punctual!

:)

[YoungWolf7]

That's why I posted that I wasn't sure if it was being allowed or not. I also figured it would have been removed if it was DQ'ed.


So 4 complete pairings DNF.
8 other DNFs.
WYRD Card DNF.

44 (or 45) entries.
17 (or 18) DNFs.


Roughly a 72% participation rate. Pretty good for an online competition. :)

[YoungWolf7]

JakubT should be bolded. He has the "Ghool King" entry.

Even though skrivanek was an hour or so late, I'd say be lenient and allow it *this time* since it's at least one less DNF (and more work for the judges, *nyah, nyah*). But let it be a warning for future rounds, Irons Painters are expected to be punctual!

:)

Thanks for the catch. I had it marked on my notes but missed it in the translation to post.

[supervike]

I think if skrivanek was going to be classified as a DNF, the entry would have been removed. Speaking strictly for myself, I would rather lose to an entry that was a little bit late than advance because my opponent DNF'd.



I think skrivanek's post will stand, although it was technically late. I couldn't figure out how to stop the uploads at a certain time, but that is neither here nor there. Since there was confusion about it, I will err on the side of caution and let it go. Sorry Sculpta if you disagree. In the future, I will attempt to get uploading cut off at the deadline time.

[supervike]

oh, and good work with that Youngwolf! Very much appreciated!

[Hinton]

I guess all of the one postings in pairings just move on then?

Yes they do, although I think they still get judged and scored (I could be wrong about that).

So, 17 DNF's altogether.

[Vytis]

Ow. I'm very glad that I was able to finish, and that my opponent was as well. Having been whacked by another driver on my way to lunch a couple of weeks ago, I've spent a good portion of the last two weeks on Vicadin, and with limited 'sit upright' time, because of back and hip injuries (no broken bones, just bruises and pain. Oh, man, the pain). I'd love to continue participating, and leave it to the judges, but I suspect that 'get well' time (and more George RR Martin) is better. I also have to finish an army for Baltimore GT (in two weeks) and that'll need my remaining 'upright' time.

Therefore, I feel it best for me to concede my match to Jack, as it were, since it would be best both for me, and for all concerned in the contest. But let it be known that I did finish an entry..of that I'm proud, at least.

Now, I head back to Vicadin-land. I'll keep up with the contest and will give out some form of prize to my favorite entries in future rounds. I'll think of a name at some point, just not now. Now I must sleep. Again.

[Huronbh]

Well it looks like both me and my opponent DNFed. Best of luck to those going on to next round.


-jay

[Hinton]

@Vytis: Sorry to hear about the accident and that you're conceding the round. As you said, at least you entered and it looks like a pretty good piece. Hopefully we'll see you in the next IP and any other contest in the meantime.

[Duende]

From the rules:

6. The LOSER (sorry so harsh) will be asked at that point to send to his or her victor, one miniature. If you would rather save the time or effort from sending a miniature from your collection, $5 dollars (American) through Paypal is also acceptable should you wish.

So if both in a match DNF'ed, do they send each other a mini or $5?

(just curious) :)

[supervike]

STOP CONFUSING ME!!!

Well, Vytis, you've all the makings for a true IP! Gets clobbered, and still finishes....I'd hate to see you concede!

Just to clarify, if you were a DNFer and your opponent was not....PLEASE be responsible and pony up your fee(otherwise it comes out of my pocket!)

If you and your opponent both DNF, then obviously you don't need to do anything. BUT....
We have already had a DNFer come forward and still offer to send his 'fee' for part of the Pool Prize. His opponent was also a DNF. Much appreciated!! Thanks Goblyn13.


ALL entries will be scored, regardless of what the opponent did. In fact, I don't think the Judges even bother looking at the matchups, they just score each one appropriately...it's up to your friendly neighborhood moderator to figure that part out.

[YoungWolf7]

Not a problem supervike. I was more curious than anything. I like statistics. :laugh:

[demonherald]

wow so if my amateur reckonings are right that shoots to 8 pairings in the next round....8 walking through and 8 toughened up ironpainters ...Brutal

[Illustrange]

I DNFed (whatever that means >_< ) better luck with time next time :)
vike, I throw into the package I STILL have to send also the *loot* to be added to the prizepool :)

[skrivanek]

You too! I need to go in now and fine some time to make comments.


Aaron




It was fun pseoudo-competing agains you skirvanek

Squig

[Blackhand]

Actually wouldn't there be 11 parings?

There were 44 finishers 22 of which will move on and be paired for 11 matchups?


Yeah, I felt really IP with this one also. I had very little time to complete things and was out of town when the deadline came. I was luckily able to run to a friend's house and uploades right at 6pm :>

My pic sucks though :<

Byron

[Morf]

How about this: figuratively, my opponent is DNF and I get randomly paired with another participant whose opponent is DNF. If I win the first round, do I get 10$?

Fortunately not my problem, thanks Ringsnake ;)

[supervike]

@illustrange...DNF= DID NOT FINISH

[Thryth]

Actually, I think that it 26 painters moving on to the next round?

[stubbdog]

Going over the list:

There were 30 pairings and 1 WYRD card for a total of 61 people.

If everyone finished then we would have 31 people or 15 pairings and 1 card.

Even though there were a bunch of DNF people out there, there were only 4 where both players DNF,

Illustrange vs. goblyn13
Zly vs. Vanth
deguello vs. Weirdoboy
Lono vs. Huronbh


therefore 30 - 4 = 26 people left = 13 second round pairings

[Hinton]

[Edit] 26 are moving on.

[stubbdog]

Hinton you are forgetting to fulfill the matchups not just get rid of the DNFers.

[Althai]

Do we have a timeline for when judging ends, or is it just whenever the judges finish? I'm really hoping I made it to round 2, but it's going to be a hard decision for the judges and I'm eager to see if I make it.

Also, do we know when round 2 is going to begin?

[Hinton]

I believe the judges are currently working on judging and we'll probably have the results Wednesday or Thursday (although it could be later than that). If so, Vike should have the new match-ups and theme on Friday.

[demonherald]

It's great when we all try to do the maths that don't really matter...poor vikey...and the judges at least here it's just looking at that list without having to mark everything....my original working out was on the laptop on a train so I missed some of the bold print...
heres how I reckoned it......

43 finished.....
8 0f those with DNF opponents.....go through.
leaving 35....17 pairs and 1 wild card.
17 beaten with iron sticks
so 26 go through...13 pairs......

not that any of it matters guess it's just easing curiosity while the judges do their bit...

if that's right maybe it explains it to those curious..if it's wrong..well that's why I don't run these things....

now if the wild card was DNF that throws the nice ven numbers out so is a nearly there called in from this round??? i.e after the DNF's and winners from pairs go through the highest scoring left sneaks in to make up numbers......Just thought I'd throw more confusing thoughts in the mix....

[Lordfishbane]

AHHHHH! you guys are killing me.

If a DNF'er leaves Dallas on a train heading north at 87 mph.......

LOL, math sucks!!

[supervike]

me no likey math.

[LavronYor]

I thot yu no liikey spellling....

[steelcult]

Yeah, Tori Spelling does nothing for me either.:laugh:

[EldinTux]

Oi as a maths teacher I must point out ... blah blah blah

[callumrice]

ZZZZzzzzz.... huh?! You say something Mr Tux?

[Lono]

Oops! Knew I shoulda just put the base I showed in the WIP section up as my entry in case Huronbh didn't get his done, but it seemed kinda poor form! Good luck in the next round peeps. I'm off to lament the lack of iron in my diet.

[Duende]

Now since I don't personally know all the painters who signed up.. but just looking over the names, it seems to me not one of the DNF'ers were female. Just goes to show, us lady painters have more Iron.

Maybe you boys should just drop out now and go back to playing with your little soldiers rather than trying to paint them.

:aetsch: :p: :aetsch: :p: :aetsch: :p: :aetsch: :p: :aetsch: :p:

[supervike]

I think skrivanek's post will stand, although it was technically late. I couldn't figure out how to stop the uploads at a certain time, but that is neither here nor there. Since there was confusion about it, I will err on the side of caution and let it go. Sorry Sculpta if you disagree. In the future, I will attempt to get uploading cut off at the deadline time.


MODERATORS NOTE:

In an effort for fairness, I am having the judges look at this situation and give me their opinions. Sorry skrivanek if I have misled you. I will have a ruling soon.

[Brushmistress]

Now since I don't personally know all the painters who signed up.. but just looking over the names, it seems to me not one of the DNF'ers were female. Just goes to show, us lady painters have more Iron.

Maybe you boys should just drop out now and go back to playing with your little soldiers rather than trying to paint them.

:aetsch: :p: :aetsch: :p: :aetsch: :p: :aetsch: :p: :aetsch: :p:

Damned skippy Duende! We're going to destroy the boys this year.

[skrivanek]

MODERATORS NOTE: In an effort for fairness, I am having the judges look at this situation and give me their opinions. Sorry skrivanek if I have misled you. I will have a ruling soon.


No worries - just let me know.


Aaron

[Bexley]

Duende/Brushmistress: All part of the plan- we're hoping for two chicks in the final round. Everyone knows girls can't playfight without it turning vicious. I heard that Wyrd is bringing Joey Styles to call the match.

[EldinTux]

2 Chick in the final - the men fall into 2 camps on that one. You either love the catscrap or hate it on grounds that women can't really do anything right, we just let them play every now and again.

OUCH! Yes dear I won't say anything like that again dear.

[supervike]

Hold it!!

Now, I don't want to turn the IP into some sort of battle of the sexes.

Unless of course there is a chance for bras and panties to be ripped a bit, the two women huffing and puffing as they hold on in a brutal scrap....then maybe one plants a gentle kiss and a caress, the other is apprehensive, yet receptive.....

um...I'll be back in a little while, I've something to take care of...

[EldinTux]

My point

[Lordfishbane]

two chicks in the final round

HMMMMM, depending on the theme the WIP shots could be interesteing.

[Uberdark]

ok so here is another question....where exactly do we get to see the rankings and judging at on the site?

[supervike]

Hiya Uber...so many questions...

On Thursday (or possibly Friday morn) I will have all the rankings, judging and fall out in a shiny new thread (called something like Round 4 RESULTS)

Then, I'll have another shortly following announcing new matchups and a new theme!

[Brushmistress]

Duende/Brushmistress: All part of the plan- we're hoping for two chicks in the final round. Everyone knows girls can't playfight without it turning vicious. I heard that Wyrd is bringing Joey Styles to call the match.

Styles can call the match with Joe Rogan...Big John McCarthy reffing.

[r2-j1]

Styles can call the match with Joe Rogan...Big John McCarthy reffing.

No way, Herb Dean should ref. HERB DEAN!

[EricJ]

just a note, another deadline is coming up, I should finishing up judging this afternoon, so that'll be the deadlines for bribes, and unfortunately once I turn in my numbers, late bribes, while still accepted, won't change the results.

:D

[Przemas]

If anyone interested - here you`ll find better pics of my entry (http://wyrd-games.net/showthread.php?t=3323) :)

[Frustrated Father]

I'm usually the last to get my votes in, proven fact from the last three contests. I'll see if I can fit time in there to do comments as well.

Also, just goes to show, particularly for some of that are starting this up for the first time, that photography and the like is just as important a factor to take into consideration as is the painting and to leave time for that. Go early and then laugh at all the fools scampering to get caught up. Wait a bit and figure you'll have plenty of time on the last day and then you find yourself going 'WTF, my car broke down, the significant other wanted some nookie (who is going to pass that up) and somehow I managed not to finish. Crap!'

Mind you ... nookie is a good reason not to complete, particularly if you have two weeks filled with that. We might even give you a pass for that ..

[EricJ]

I would give top marks if you could prove that the reason for not finishing was 2 solid weeks of nookie

And while I'd like to comment on each one while scoring, I just don't think I have the time, however, after the fact feel free to ask why I scored something one way or another, I'm happy to answer. As the field gets smaller, I will go back to commenting on every one as I score.

And nathan, would you just like me to CC you my scores... you know, so can copy/paste and be done fast ;)

[Ritual]

And while I'd like to comment on each one while scoring, I just don't think I have the time, however, after the fact feel free to ask why I scored something one way or another, I'm happy to answer. As the field gets smaller, I will go back to commenting on every one as I score.

Ditto on that!

[breadhead]

I would give top marks if you could prove that the reason for not finishing was 2 solid weeks of nookie


Will a signed letter from my wife do? :laugh:

[supervike]

Will a signed letter from my wife do? :laugh:

hmmm sorry but no.

Only undoctored and unedit video tapes will suffice.

[Uberdark]

eric and anders i have your gifts sent to you...... anders i sent you a signed copy of sisters of mercy and some old cannibal corpse albums.....not to mention a roundtrip ticket to indianapolis next year.

eric i sent you the poodle you were asking for.....but for the life of me cannot figure out why you wanted two pounds of greycoat grey and one toothpick. but they have been sent to you nonetheless.

whoever the last judge is please feel free to email me what you want and i will get it to you as soon as its humanly possible.

[Ritual]

:)

[LavronYor]

I thought a Honeymoon for seven days makes a hole week. Does Nookie for fourteen days make one too weak?

I guess for some of us, the old phrase, " It's not the first time that you can't do it twice, it's the second time that you can't do it once that counts..."


boy does this thread ever get hijacked....

[supervike]

I'm not sure hijacked is the right word....

maybe lowballed....

[supervike]

MODERATORS NOTE:

In an effort for fairness, I am having the judges look at this situation and give me their opinions. Sorry skrivanek if I have misled you. I will have a ruling soon.



After discussing this with all parties involved, and the judges, I've decided to let skrivanek's submission stand. It was technically late, I couldn't stop it from being uploaded, so gave the impression it was still ok.

I will, however, be more diligent in shutting down uploads at the deadline time (something I didn't know how to do then).

The contest is more about the spirit of fun than hard and fast rules. Had this been in the later rounds, I may have thought differently. I apologize if this rubs people the wrong way....

jim

[YoungWolf7]

I don't have a problem with it. With the number of DNFs I'd rather see an entry that was a little late than another hole.

[demonherald]

yup I agree there good call all.....And Vike I don't think you could possibly rub anyone the wrong way.....well at least not without their consent.

[Dragonforge]

Good call vike.. spirit of the competition I say.

[skrivanek]

Heh - thanks Vike. Now watch it become moot as the judges remove me (and my poor photography skillz!).


Aaron

[Ritual]

And Vike I don't think you could possibly rub anyone the wrong way.....
No, Jim always rubs me exactly the right way... :)

[Frustrated Father]

You don't think I let him become a moderator on social skills along do you?!

[supervike]

Shhhhh

Our Secret


Ours!

[Morf]

Good call on Skrivanek's case. Thanks!

[Hinton]

It's a good call and I agree with letting it stand.

[Stahler77]

Although I personally know this "Skrivanek" character, and it is against my better judgment, I agree it's a good ruling this early in the competition.

[Duende]

I agree too. Good call.

Besides, he's male and will be out of the competition soon enough anyway, but better he get a good pummeling by a iron-willed female than get a DQ or DNF. :D

[Wren]

No complaints from me on the ruling!

[EldinTux]

Yup agreed, although we don't particularly need another man to whoop these ladies arses.

[Jubilee]

Yup agreed, although we don't particularly need another man to whoop these ladies arses.

hahaha

Keep dreaming :)

/ali

[Uberdark]

grrrrrr.......testosterone......arnold schwarzenneger........angus cows and fire pits.......

we break the little women. *uber flexes his fat into muscles.* hehe

[supervike]

Well, one of the judges is complete.

I won't tell you which one, but he is tall, and is not an American.

[callumrice]

Knew big anders was on the ball. He always is!

A note, whilst everyone is waiting, why not comment on other entries? Newbies it would be good to see some of you commenting on other entries and how you feel other peoples general painting and modelling skills are. Its part of IP and fun too!

Im more into getting comments than winning anything (would be nice though) cos I like to know what people think about how im painting. Criticism is warmly received (is it ever??!) so dont be shy.

I think Ive commented on most if not all.

[supervike]

A note, whilst everyone is waiting, why not comment on other entries? Newbies it would be good to see some of you commenting on other entries and how you feel other peoples general painting and modelling skills are. Its part of IP and fun too!

Im more into getting comments than winning anything (would be nice though) cos I like to know what people think about how im painting. Criticism is warmly received (is it ever??!) so dont be shy.

I think Ive commented on most if not all.

I concur!!

Sorry, I just figured it was a given, that folks were doing this. Please do. I encourage it completely. Being a community painting event is what the IP really stands for.

I try and comment on all, but usually won't until after all the votes are in...Not that I have any sway over our judges, but it just seems proper that way!

[PaintMinion]

Good call from the judges, too much information on how to become a mod, and you boys can just try and whup all you want but it won't make a bit o' difference. Oh, and I think I caught just about everyone's piece for comments...but it took me all night, cuz I'm on dial up so it takes foooooooooreeevvvvvvverrrr to load the next pic.

[skrivanek]

Good call from the judges, too much information on how to become a mod, and you boys can just try and whup all you want but it won't make a bit o' difference. Oh, and I think I caught just about everyone's piece for comments...but it took me all night, cuz I'm on dial up so it takes foooooooooreeevvvvvvverrrr to load the next pic.

Dial up? They still have that????? :twitch:


:)



Aaron

[supervike]

Dial up? They still have that????? :twitch:


:)



Aaron

just on phones.

[EricJ]

all voted! wow that took a while. Lots of really nice entries, a few which even made me laugh (in a good way)

looking forward to seeing who wins! I do my voting per piece, and not per pairing, so I don't really even know who'll come out on top.

[Frustrated Father]

Working on mine now and Jim will have them in hand before a couple of hours is up from now (as usual, I'm the last). Like the other two, I don't bother looking at who got paired against whom so I guess I'll find out when Jim posts up the conclusion.

Again, great show everyone.

[Sculpta the squig]

Damn, so if I post better pictures now it won't make a difference?

Squig

[Ritual]

No, and for the record... I only looked at the pictures that were posted in the gallery! Photographing your entries is part of the competition, and consequently should be done before the deadline. Photos that were taken later should therefore not be considered when judging. That is my point of view, at least.

[callumrice]

I agree Ritual. So are you guys all done then?

Not that im pushing cos christ, if I push Vike with that calculator of his god knows what kind of tallies he will come up with!

[Ritual]

I think so... Nathan is done and he's usually the last one, so I'd say we're all done! :D Now, we're just waiting for Jim to do the adding.... which may take a while.... and may not be altogether reliable. :poke:

[EldinTux]

THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME!!!!

Sorry just had to do it!!

[Hinton]

Patience, young Jedi; patience.

[Darklord]

cigarettes are killing me

or did you mean the suspenders are killing you tux?

[EricJ]

I'm the same as Anders, I only judged by looking at the gallery posts :)

[Uberdark]

i personally think all the judges are incredibly good looking and have a wicked beautiful attention to the beauty of the miniatures we have painted. *rubs brown off nose*

[Ritual]

Kissing our asses NOW that we have already given our scores won't help you a bit, John... :rolleyes:

[EricJ]

maybe he's thinking ahead to next round...or maybe more realistically, next IP ;)

[supervike]

OK!!

I have just finished building a new spreadsheet to help me tally all the little things I need to tally.

Duende had sent me a very nice one, but there were a few more additions I wanted to make.

ANYHOW...I have also input all the values, and now have the 'final scores' sitting before me.

Look for the announcement within the next 1/2 hour or so!!!

[Hinton]

You're such a tease, vike. :D

[Darklord]

supervike - an accountant and an MC rolled into one!!

[callumrice]

A big fat tease! Thats what he is! Anyone taking bets he still gets scores wrong? Ill have a fiver says he does. ;-)

[Frustrated Father]

Yup, all votes are in (yes, I'm almost always the last to finish) and Jim has the stage now. I'm sure he'll do his thing here shortly and everyone will have their results today and be ready for the next theme come tomorrow.

Let me also say that all of us judges have pretty much agreed that we only go with the photo that is presented within the gallery as taking photographs and doing the composition on them is part of the process.

Some of ya'll have thrown up some pictures after the fact that are MUCH better than what you initially submitted and it would have gotten you better scores from all of us I'm sure, but that's part of the 'Iron' in IP. Do yourself a favor, leave some time for photography, set yourself up a decent photo station with a background, and if you don't have photoshop, go and get GIMP (Google it) as that'll help you out here. As you know by now, only one picture is accepted, not multiples.

We also don't look at the match ups between folks or do the whole favoritism thing though I've seen a few PM's from time to time from disgruntled folks. Anyone that has done this judging thing, much less taken the time to comment on all the entries, will know that this takes HOURS to accomplish and as a group we pretty much start at the beginning and work our way back through the entrants, making our marks and going from there.

As much as I want every last one of you to pass along, some of you aren't and that sucks the big one. Matter of fact, I actually 'do' know of one match up because it stuck with me when I first read it three weeks ago and I said 'oooh, that's going to be a rough one'. Either way though, I wish the best of luck to each of you and hope that you have enjoyed putting yourself through heck for painting sake.

:D

[callumrice]

Thanks for the info FF, and thanks again to you for letting SV host this great tourney on your site. Its a grand laugh, win or lose.

Now come on Vike, Ive got to go home soon! Have to use the works pc as long as possible!

[supervike]

Results are up! This thread will cease to exists in a little while....get yer jabs in now!

[Ritual]

Tossers!! The whole lot of you! ;)

[r2-j1]

Jab jab.

[Uberdark]

Kissing our asses NOW that we have already given our scores won't help you a bit, John... :rolleyes:


no i have already sucked up enough the first time to assure my entry into the next round. now i am already starting up for the second round of kiss buttery.