Ravage Special Edition n°7

[green stuff]

The Ravage Special Edition n°7 will be available on the 27th of June in it's french edition. It'll treat different painting techniques (color theory, textures, ...). You can find several previews here :

http://julienc.world.free.fr/HS7preview.htm

[supervike]

The mag is very cool, but dreadfully expensive...or at least the copies I have seen around here are.

[Malebolgia]

...and French only...:(
Typical from French companies to produce such a product only in French while you'd make much more money if you'd do it in English. Too bad because I would have liked to buy it otherwise. Now I don't see the point.

[green stuff]

Wait and see, something huge in english is coming out later in the year ;).

[matty1001]

Good, as Malebolgia said, I would get it if it was in English. Although I do have No6, but thats all pictures lol

[Wren]

I know some French, but I suspect I'm too rusty to get full value out of something like this, which is a shame as it does look really cool.

[Ritual]

I might just have to pick this issue up despite things being written in French. The pictures go a long way! :)

[thewartoad]

Supervike is right...a great magazine but when I bought one awhile back I almost had a stroke. And in my opinion when a company makes a product in this industry then it should be made for every language.

[Ritual]

C'mon... the world is to the largest part NOT English-speaking. English is not a big language in France and the hobby is big there. Nothing strange about a French company doing a magazine, intended for the French market, only in French, is there? How many magazines are you aware of that are made in several languages?

[LavronYor]

But it's our hobby, so it should be in our language....

[green stuff]

But it's our hobby, so it should be in our language....
Before this ends up in a steril discussion, and as I've already said above, the english speaking painters should be satisfied in a few months time. I won't go into more details because it's too early.

I only brought this news up because there are a few french speaking members here and I thought they could benefit from it.

[Frustrated Father]

Tease.

[Xenon_Wulf]

Thank you, Green Stuff - definately interested by it, too bad that Ravage isn't nearly popular enough in the biggest french-speaking region of North-America to be found here.

As for articles, come on guys - they can be translated. I've done it for Darkson Design's two painting books. It's not that hard or long to do.

And that whole "We speak <insert language here> and so they should have a <insert language here> edition" is rubbish. Who knows how big a company they are? Does anyone know how much it costs to have a print run of a magazine? To have it translated, distributed, etc? They do what any normal, intelligent company would do - they are aiming for their own market. Not anyone or anywhere else - their own. Any Ravage sold out of France is part of a secondary market.

Sorry about the rant - I've had to read enough people complaining about Rackham on the Confrontation forums that I'm really starting to be pissed off by people complaining about that sort of thing when it is unwarranted.

[Jabberwocky]

Looks very cool. I hope the english version is out by Christmas... :)

[Illustrange]

its the darkside of the internet I suppose.
everything is accesible by everyone (as a manner of speaking.) while not everything is supposed to be targetted at everyone.
magazines are good examples. I think there are few magazines with an international target (in general I think the entire concept of magazines is national at most, like newspapers.)

and also.. would that secret tease project be in need of artists/graphic designers ? ;)

[green stuff]

and also.. would that secret tease project be in need of artists/graphic designers ? ;)
They've covered their needs for now. But PM me your e-mail if you want, there might be another project where your talents could be used ;).

[LavronYor]

I was just joking about the language, and I deeply apologize to anyone whom I offended. I have the first 3 Ravages and even in French, I love the magazine. Can anyone tell me what the contents were of issues 4, 5, and 6 and if anyone knows where we can get them in the US. I have one or two extra copies of 2 and 3 and would gladly trade them for 4, 5, or 6, if anyone is interested.

Again, apologies to some of the best painter's in the world, the French...

[Frustrated Father]

Don't worry about it, I insult 'my' froggies all the time and I just get insulted right back with redneck comments. They get animated when aggressively poked as well I've learned ...

:D

[Ritual]

4 and 5 are not much to have... 4 is about gaming scenarios and campaigns and 5 is about pre-painted minis. 6, on the other hand, is an excellent issue dedicated to last year's Ravage Mix Open competition with photos of basically all the entries. Lots of good pictures of minis by Cyril Abati, Allan Carrasco, Mathieu Lalain, Romain van den Bogert, Julien Casses, Jérôme Otremba, Manuel Sanchez etc. etc. etc. Well worth buying!

[cdukino]

I have ravage 1 and 6. Pricy but good. Though those 2 have a lot of pictures as both are mostly showcases so eventhough it's a shame i can't read it... the pictures make it worth wile to buy anyway. I can't read a word of French really. So as said before. One like the new one now i prefer to buy in english to get more out of it... but give me enough good pictures and i buy anyway (if i can get it)

[LavronYor]

Thanks Anders, that is very helpful. I paid nearly $20 each for 2 and 3 and only felt that 2 was worth that. Does anyone know where to get it in the US?

[matty1001]

Just got round to reading this, it was on the second page and I hadn't noticed all the new replys.

About creating an English version, you have to remember you cannot just simply translate every word into English, reinsert the type and hey presto. The grammer would be wrong in alot of places and parts would not make sense with a direct translation.
Translating the type is only the first step in a long process. Alot of the type would also not fit into the grids provided, the would most likely be long rivers, the kerning and tracking would need adjusting, text flows would need adjusting for everthing to read properly (theres a reason why when a word is split over two lines, its between two syllables, or a double letter) it would need alot of careful adjustment. Text wraps may not fit where they are meant to, or overspill into new areas. And in the most extreme cases entire pages would need redesigned. Especially if there are alot of double page spreads, or article lead in's.
The magazine looks very professionally designed and I don't think they would/could afford to make a poorer looking English version (especially at the price)

All these minor adjustments can take ALOT of time, then you have the money side of things, a professional layout designer can charge big bucks for their time. On top of that (as illustrange mentioned) you have costs for printing (and the one I have has excellent printing and materials quality) and distribution. It ain't cheap.

So perhaps there is a reason it is printed in French other than the fact the French are all frogs ( :P just kidding hehe) and im sure when the English version (or whatever is coming out) is released it will be top quality stuff, as the French version is.

P.S, Greenstuff, if you know the layout designer, tell him/her that their furniture rocks!

[LavronYor]

Matty, can you get the English versions there very easily?

[matty1001]

Well as far as I know the English version isn't out yet, so no, sorry. But when it is im sure we will found out pretty quickly via Green Stuff.

[Mclimbin]

Anyone know if there is a source for these magazines in North America, or somewhere where I won't have to pay more for the shipping than the cost of the magazine?

I speak French. :approve: I knew those lost years majoring in French in college would pay off some day! ;)

[green stuff]

I finally got a copy of it. The content is excellent for beginers and slightly confirmed painters IMHO. Above-average painters should however already know (and master) what's explained in these articles. Nonetheless, the articles are clear and well explained.

Most of the articles are signed by Julien Casses, Manumillitari, Cyril, ... and Jérémie wrote one on freehands.

BtW, since I've been getting a few PMs on the subject and to clear up all misunderstanding; the project I was speaking of for the english readers has nothing to do with Ravage Magazine. It'll be bigger and adapted to all levels of painting ;).

[atacam]

I have a few of these. 4 in fact. Although i dont speak French I think the pictures speak for themselves. For me they are a great source of inspiration and ideas.

[Frenchkid]

Before this ends up in a steril discussion, and as I've already said above, the english speaking painters should be satisfied in a few months time. I won't go into more details because it's too early.

I only brought this news up because there are a few french speaking members here and I thought they could benefit from it.


If we are thinking of the same thing, it as been annouced quit a lot so I guess you can talk about it. And it should be at GenCon, not in its english forme though :P
Or I'm just mistaken and I'll shut up :D

[green stuff]

Yeah it has been talked about on some (one :P ?) french forum, but since no official english date has been announced, I'd rather leave it to the writers to announce it when they want ;).

[Mclimbin]

Care to say on which French forum it has been discussed?

[green stuff]

I can finally annouce something on the project mentioned above. More than 12 master painters (Jérémie, Allan, Manumilitari, JAG, ... to name a few) have put together their talent to bring forth a 288 page, full color, book on painting miniatures :

The cover :

http://alchimiste-games.fr/SITES/alchimiste-games.fr/local/cache-vignettes/L250xH333/produitoff1977-dcbe7.jpg

Examples of the inside :

http://bragonart.free.fr/pdfa.jpg
http://bragonart.free.fr/pdfb.jpg

Those of you who were at the Salon du Jeu had the opportunity to see the french version. What you might not know is that it should be availlable in English in February :). The french version costs 30€ during pre-sales and now 35€ since it's been published.

The layout is rather well thought out, tips are on every page, the pics are of great quality, and the authors know what they're talking about, but they don't preach it as if what they were writing was the only solution. The technics go from beginner to expert. IMHO, a must have :).

[Ritual]

From what I could see, browsing through the French edition, this is the best quality painting guide I've seen to date. I will certainly buy a copy when the English version is released.

[matty1001]

Yep, I had a browse in starplayer. The pics are pretty straightforward, and if this wasn't getting an English release I would most likely have bought it.

A bible for painters IMO

Please keep us informed Cedric, and il be getting it when its out.

[Sculpta the squig]

Those pictures look fantastic Cedric, I will most definately get this.

Squig

[demonherald]

definitely keep us posted that looks like a must have ......

[Thryth]

Looking forward to it.

[supervike]

Too often tutorials are less about the 'technique' and more about the 'recipe' of color.

This one looks promising.

Put the 'adjective' French in front of anything and it becomes better..


Wine
Toast
Fries
Painters
Kiss
Ticklers

Damn French!! They are better at everything!

[r2-j1]

Wow! This looks amazing. I will certainly buy this when the english edition comes out. Do you know who might be carrying it?

[Wren]

The only bad thing is having to wait for it!

[green stuff]

Do you know who might be carrying it?
I don't have details on that, but for now the french version is available through Amazon and various LGS, so I figure it should be the same for the rest of the world ;).

@Jim : nah, we're just good at making you think we're better at everything :P.

[Ritual]

After having spent 10 days in France there's one thing I can definitely say the French are better at (except for mini painting, of course...)...

CHEESE!!

I ate so much cheese there, and it was one of the things I missed the most when I got back home. Luckily, there's a French guy running a little food store on the street where I work and he has a small assortment of French cheese. :D

[green stuff]

Should I add a wheel of Camembert in the package I have to send you Anders :P?

[Ritual]

Hehe... I think I have my cheese addiction covered by that French guy here in Stockholm, but thanks anyway!

Speaking of packages... I discovered I was out of larger boxes, so I haven't sent you the Pumpkin yet. I have secured him in a smaller box but will put it inside a bigger box with some padding before I send it. But I will send it off as soon as I can find a suitable box.

[green stuff]

No worries on the timing Anders, but thanks for letting me know. I was starting to wonder if the little dude was enjoying his trip and taking the scenic rout :P.

[LavronYor]

Now that it is January, do we know any more about the English version of this?

[green stuff]

I talked to Jérémie a few weeks ago about the english version ... you'll have to blame the editor on the time it's taking to translate it ...

[gi6ers]

Put the 'adjective' French in front of anything and it becomes better..


Wine

Damn French!! They are better at everything!

Only the expensive stuff, the cheap stuff they export is only good for rinsing the toilet.

[LavronYor]

Okay, not that it is April, does anyone know anything about this in English?

Or Darkson Design's book two?

[Xenon_Wulf]

I believe the texts for Darkson Designs #2 were handed in back in '06 (at least if the dates on my e-mail are to be believed).

For the Great Book of Painting Figurines, I've got no idea of how the translation's going, but owning a copy I can assure you that it is indeed THE reference book many of us have been wishing for.

I've also heard rumors of a how-to-paint DVD...

[Grinning Buddha]

Too often tutorials are less about the 'technique' and more about the 'recipe' of color.

This one looks promising.

Put the 'adjective' French in front of anything and it becomes better..


Wine
Toast
Fries
Painters
Kiss
Ticklers

Damn French!! They are better at everything!

French Fries & Toast aren't French which probably explains why they are horrid lol!

The magazine looks awesome though.

Would the DVD's be http://www.miniaturementor.com/ ?

[Ritual]

I don't even remember how long it's been since I handed in my article for Darkson's book #2. I don't think I will ever see it in print... :( That's some 60 hours of work I'll probably never see the result of.

[LavronYor]

and in my opinion, that was the premier book on painting, at least until this one.

[Wren]

I keep crossing my fingers that the Darkson book will eventually come out.

[Xenon_Wulf]

Would the DVD's be http://www.miniaturementor.com/ ?

Nope - the DVD is from Jeremie Bonamant and is in production right now.

I'll agree with LavonYor about Darson's book, and with Ritual about how I really wish the 4 or so articles I translated for that book would at least see the light of day (guess that also osrta meets what Wren's saying...)

[green stuff]

[QUOTE=LavronYor;47919]Okay, not that it is April, does anyone know anything about this in English?[QUOTE]
The editor still hasn't made a move ... Jérémie's going to talk to him again :P.

[Xenon_Wulf]

I just hope we'll see it translated soon - it's by far the most awesome painting book I've ever seen...

[demonherald]

[quote=LavronYor;47919]Okay, not that it is April, does anyone know anything about this in English?[quote]
The editor still hasn't made a move ... Jérémie's going to talk to him again :P.


Is the Editor in England... would Jeremie like me to go round and have a word with them.......horses head on the pillow??? or something equally subtle

[green stuff]

@DH : The editor/publisher is french and apparently they've got a whole translation team for various languages, but the book doesn't seem to be their priority ... strange since it's sold pretty well.

[EricJ]

odd, considering the potential size of the english speaking marketing for them...oh well, people have made stranger decisions!