Iron Painter Season 3 THE FINAL! [Archive]

supervike

05-25-2007, 11:13 AM

It has been a tough and grueling season paint fans! Folks were dropping like flies in the early rounds, not having enough 'metal' to even finish. But some preservered. Then we had the semi-finals, where all contestants pulled out the stops and gave it their all. It was a tough scrap but two emerged.

One this side, I present vincegamer. No stranger to these competitions, Vince brings his unusual take on themes and his skill with the brush into the finals. He is a Iron Painter participating veteran, but the elusive title of IRON PAINTER has been out of his grasp. His ability with smack talk is a force to be reckoned with. Vince's road to the finals was paved by such painters as LavonYor, Jubilee, and Tab Studio. His season total scores equal to an impressive 260.5 points. And now he stands, ready for battle.

In the opposite corner, I present Cdukino. Cindy partcipated in the Iron Painter clear back in Season one, but we haven't seen much of her until this season. Of course, during that layoff, she has won just about every other 'online' contest I've seen. She brings an incredible sense of realism and fantasy combined. A wily veteran of the 'nice style' smack talk, where the opponent doesn't know how to respond. This season Cindy has stomped over many a fine painter to get here...Malebolgia went down in the Battle of the NEWS MONKEYS..Newcomer Thryth gave her a challenge, and the ever present Stupid Cow couldn't stop her either. Breaking all Iron Painter records for scoring, Cindy has gathered 274 points to her cause.

vincegamer vs. Cdukino

the THEME ingredient:

Splatterhouse 5! or BLOODY HELL!!

The theme is 'bloody/gore'. I realize some may find this distasteful, sorry about that! I'm not trying to offend anyone, but I feel its a good theme, and one that will be fun in an over the top way(like a cheesy horror movie).

Of course, how this theme is presented is completly up to the finalists. Its all about pleasing the judges, after all. Deadline is Sunday June 10th 6pm central time.

The FINAL of Iron Painter 3 begins:

NOW!!

cdukino

05-25-2007, 11:36 AM

OH MY GOD!!!! There is not a theme that could be further away from what I usually do and like than this one. We are talking the none zombie, gore girl here.... Helo... waggamaephs, cure stuff, bunnies....I don't even own anything remotely gory and boycott most severed head and limbs miniatures like the plague... HELP!! I don't even own TCR... never even touched the stuff...

Takes deep breaths... I will have to let this sink in for a bit.... i'm a bit scared now... But i am gonna fight... first i need to get over the shock.

Ritual

05-25-2007, 12:21 PM

COOL THEME!!! :vb_devil:

Wren

05-25-2007, 12:32 PM

Ouch, Cindy, you have my sympathies on this not being your theme of choice. In fact I have suspicions that 'vike is rigging things in favour of the guys! I cry foul! ;-> Though I'm not sure this is top choice for vincegamer's comfort zone, known as he is for converting martial minis into athletes and sports fans. Should be an interesting showdown for sure...

matty1001

05-25-2007, 12:33 PM

COOL THEME!!! :vb_devil:

I agree! If i was in this round I have the perfect mini in mind.

TAB Studio

05-25-2007, 01:10 PM

nah Cindy is good at red, thats all the bloody stuff is, red with an attitude ... she can do this one, you go wonder woman!

Malebolgia

05-25-2007, 02:03 PM

Coolest...theme...ever...

I wished for it in round 1, but alas!

Good luck guys. May the best butcher win!

gi6ers

05-25-2007, 02:18 PM

LOL! Excellent, come on Cindy get yourself some TCR....little tip, don't ,
under any circumstances lick your brushes!!

Duende

05-25-2007, 02:29 PM

Somehow, I got a flash of one of Cindy's bunnies in a scene from a certain Monty Python movie.

:D

You can do it Cindy! Just imagine vince as your victim. ;)

lauth81

05-25-2007, 03:58 PM

I love this theme, I´m allergic to cuteness ... go Vince!

Skya

05-25-2007, 04:10 PM

I think I'm gonna put in my two cents here. I *really* dont like this theme. I dont like looking at blood that's just there for the sake of being gross and I find it much more offensive and feel it should be higher on the TV ratings scale then sexual content. However, that said, I do understand that a lot of it is about context. A pool of blood can make a huge emotional impact in a death scene and you just cant convey the true feeling of battle without it.

That said I've decided that instead of sitting out judging this round (which I seriously considered) I will be judging theme based on the emotional impact, and not just beleivability of context but the artistic message trying to be conveyed.

Frustrated Father

05-25-2007, 04:58 PM

I have to admit I don't see the trouble with blood myself, but then again, it is a personal thing so each their own. In this case though, you can't get much more 'iron' than blood.

Personally, I like the theme and the previous themes before it as well and enjoy the direction Iron Painter has taken.

cdukino

05-25-2007, 05:26 PM

Well I need to do the blood preferably with a reason (meaning believable context) and not just for the blood and gore just for the blood and gore alone.

But if i am to make it an emotional scene to justify the blood I am in as much of a world of trouble. Like a bleeding dying soldier for instance. I have to make it with reason, but distanced all the same... not true human suffering or horrid warscene.

I just won't enjoy making it then and won't like having the mini. There is enough of that on the tv already and I don't need it in my cabinet. So it will still be movieblood... or high fantasy blood... horrormovie like... stage blood. I guess I will get points deducted by one judge for it (sorry Skya)... but emotional impact (and with it likely the artistic message) is out of the question for my own sake likely.

TAB Studio

05-25-2007, 05:53 PM

keep in mind Cindy 3 out of four judges does not work, there is no balancing of opinions

cdukino

05-25-2007, 06:01 PM

no but the others might be all for full out gore and the 300 stage blood look, where Noel isn't... so it is rather clear I can't do anything that is likley gonna appeal to all 4. So I might just as well do what i want to do and feel best by and have fate decide. Just painting for the judges doesn't work anyway if it doesn't suit myself... that will show in the painting anyway... and knock off points all the same.

I was thinking about this mini (minus the cape):

http://www.reapermini.com/albums/necropolisu/14016_G.jpg

Skya

05-25-2007, 10:32 PM

I dunno movie blood can be done tastefully, I just have serious issues with the idea of here have a slaughterhouse becaue it's the bloodiest thing I can think of. I think it's a difference of blood for effect vs random torn offf body parts and dripping things. Cartoony can put enuogh of a distance to it to give a sense of artistic as well. THe message being conveyed can just as easily be a children's fairy tale (which can be awefully bloody sometimes) and be done artistically enough that it's about context and not just gore for gore's sake. Maybe I didnt get my point across. I apreciate that there are certain contexts where blood is apropriate. Emotional impact within the context of a story is one of those things, but it's also hard to pull off a good vampire withut some blood. It just doesnt need to be splattered all over the walls just because it can be if you know what I mean.

Interestingly enuogh 300 was one of the least graphically bloody movie of it's type that I've ever watched. I actually thought it had a really well done story and the blood was not overdone the way it really easily could have been. I have issues with movies like Saw which are entirely about torture and death and gore with no point behing them other then the concept that some people are evil and you want to avoid them. I dunno, hopefully I'm making some sense.

Frustrated Father

05-25-2007, 10:51 PM

Skya

05-25-2007, 11:41 PM

Yup, now that makes sense. Blood in and of itself doesn't bother me. 300, Kill Bill, Sin City .. etc. Now, you throw in something like Saw, Hostel and anything other like that which is just superfluous and hateful which I haven't watched and don't have a need or wish to watch.

Hell for that matter, as much as people watched or tried to get me to watch the American's being beheaded I stayed away from them. Don't need it, don't want it.

Exactly.

That being said, these are minis and I doubt you'll get the same affect as you would with a movie. Besides, the two that made it this far are likely to surprise you with the direction they take things, particularly considering neither of these two are gore masters.

Good point. You can do a lot with minis though, much the same way you can do a lot with a still photograph, and one of the many reasons I stopped having anything to do with GW was the proliferation of icky gory stuff, so this theme rather struck a nerve I'm afraid.

I do look forward to seeing what these two pull off, and cindy, dont even think of pushing the boundries of what *you* find tasteful to appeal to *me* of all people, that would entirely defeat the purpose behind me explaining my feelings on blood and gore. My point was very much that there are people who find it offensive and I was trying to put across a way I could realate to it and not just be grossed out.

Stupidcow

05-26-2007, 12:49 AM

I wish I could have made it this far to be part of it. I mean I love dark, sinister stuff, not always bloody but it does fine too. My head is full of ideas now actually, not like when I was planning for my last season final entry when it was all blank.

cdukino

05-26-2007, 01:25 AM

Ok so I am on the same path then as atleast 2 of the judges. I understand much better what Noel ment and i do think the same thing actually. I agree about the saw being a no no for me but 300, Kill Bill and all I have no trouble with. This is what i ment with stageblood and all that.

I have a knack for RPG-ing vampires and necromancers and those don't quite work with flowers if you know what i mean ;) Dark sinister stuff is brilliant (which i'm hoping to go for). Blood is ok, no problem with it actually... full slaughterhouse just for the sake of flying bodyparts and intestines. dripping isn't for me.

@Nathan: and if you are talking about the miniatures I think you are... i agree. It would have been great to paint that one... you know which one I mean.

LavronYor

05-26-2007, 09:03 AM

Well, I think we need some perspective from Rosie O'Donnell and Elizabeth Hasselbeck on this subject.

Personally, blood is my job in real life. I'm a cardiovascular perfusionist and my job consists of running the heart and lung machine that keeps people alive during open heart surgery.

And for vikey's Splatterhouse Five, it's a play on the book title Slaughterhouse Five by the late Kurt Vonnegut and in the book, the slaughterhouse was underground in the German city of Dresden and the only place to survive the fire bombing by the Allied forces which killed more people than the atomic bombs that were dropped in Japan.

So, both blood and slaughterhouses can be a good thing in the proper context.....

That said, it is obvious that even God didn't like Saw, as the director who made more than 100 million on a 1 million dollar movie, died a year after making it.

Now, Bloody Hell, but I digress.........

supervike

05-26-2007, 06:04 PM

Is vincegamer even aware of the theme yet?

I would be curious to know his take!

Ritual

05-27-2007, 06:17 AM

Is vincegamer even aware of the theme yet?

I would be curious to know his take!

No, I think he still have problems with his eyes after the winner announcements from last round. :)

cdukino

05-27-2007, 10:43 AM

well i did the small but tricky conversion I wanted to do. A hand swap (sculpted his hand anew totally and gave him a fresh heart to hold. That's as far as i will go in the gore department... now to add the blood ;) If I have enough time I will add a hint of slaugher as well (I want that subtilly and it's time consuming)... that should cover the theme fully i'd think ;) I've warmed to the theme and I'm even starting to enjoy it. Little bit of painting insanity... well doing something totally new has it's charms afterall :)

vincegamer

05-27-2007, 09:44 PM

Actually, I just got back from a short vacation and have just read the theme.
My initial reaction is the same as Cindy's and Skya's initial reaction.
I just don't do blood. I don't think I've ever painted blood on a mini.

I think both contestants should just boycot this round.

supervike

05-27-2007, 10:10 PM

I think both contestants should just boycot this round.

I guess that would make the judging a bit easier for Skya.

cdukino

05-28-2007, 02:33 AM

well are we on for the blood theme or are we gonna go for something else? I already started (done the conversion and the face) ... I don't mind a switch (but don't mind sticking to the theme as that is IP either by now) but I would prefer to know it soon if we do as today and tomorrow happen to be handy days for me to get some painting done.

LavronYor

05-28-2007, 09:56 AM

It's funny, rust and blood both have iron in them. Doesn't sound like the finalists do though.......

Just kidding, I know neither of you would want to lose to cowardice...

Besides, IP is all about pushing the boundaries.....

cdukino

05-28-2007, 10:19 AM

Well it isn't about cowardice. It isn't like I had something against the theme because I though i could not do it. I am pretty sure I can do a pretty damn realistic gory freshy ripped to pieces corpse, quatered and hacked and make it look good (well not good as in handsome ;) )... problem is do I want to?

I don't have a problem with the current theme anymore. But I Vincegamer prefers another theme and we happen to switch that's fine by me if we do it quick... if we keep the theme we have now... that's just as well with me. I don't care either way.

I think most people would have found it logical if the theme was hard core porn and we said, no we are not gonna do it... but for me extreme violence with bodies freshly ripped to pieces is on the same level (or worse if the hard porn is a legal scene). So either theme I would tone down to a lever where it stops being tasteless in my eyes and starts becomming a powerfull image, be it of love/sex (I would and have painted an Sado masogistic pig (litterally) but would never paint a Excalibur sm torture scene, who are plain tacky and tasteless (or a rape, abusing, child molestesting and that)) or violence...

Ritual

05-28-2007, 10:39 AM

I think it would be unfair to the ones who have been knocked out of the competition to change theme because the contestants don't like it. We have not done so before so I really don't think we should do it now.

cdukino

05-28-2007, 10:40 AM

I agree with Anders. I think we should keep the theme, especially seeing both contestants are having the same thoughts about it innitially anyway. So we both have to search for a way to do it that fits us. So we both have the same handicap.

Frustrated Father

05-28-2007, 11:24 AM

I'm going to suggest Vince was joking on the odd chance you just didn't complete your mini and thus he glides into the winning spot.

Least that's how I took it.

supervike

05-28-2007, 11:24 AM

I agree. I wasn't propsing changing the theme. I knew it would be a bit controversial from the get go.

I had included that theme long ago in my list of themes, but it has just never been randomly chosen before.

This was Cindy's post from WAY BACK

As for themes: also including the obvious:
NMM,
one colour (be it variations off allowed 3 maybe 3 kinds of purple) covering atleast 90% of the figure,
bloody miniatures (or the splatter zone),
freehand (though in 2 weeks... ai),
uncommon skin colour (So no human flesh normal colour or a green goblin) miniature theme (dwarves, knights, goblins, magic users... though this might be to broad),
2 colour pallet (just 2 colours and black and white),
OSL,
alternative armour (so no NMM steel, gold colours or the likes or metal paints),
Basing
see through/sheer effectThat was from the original Thread about how this contest should work (page three) http://wyrd-games.net/showthread.php?t=689

So that theme has been around since the beginning, but it just hasn't reared its head.

I totally respect other peoples opinions regarding it, but in all honesty, I have absolutely no problem with it.

It's over the top and cheesy. Most of our minis have no reflection on real life. They too are over the top and cheesy. I see it no different than the blood in Shawn of the Dead, or in a Wolverine comic. In fact, the only way I would find it disturbing would be on something that is depicting a real live situation....and that would STILL be a legitimate form of art.

Anyhow, sorry it has pushed some hot buttons. I want the Iron Painter to be a challenge and make folks push their painting skills....not their moral compasses.

LavronYor

05-28-2007, 11:56 AM

Hey, how come Hard Core Porn isn't in there?

and I hate to correct you vikey, but black and white are not colors.....

Hinton

05-28-2007, 12:35 PM

and I hate to correct you vikey, but black and white are not colors.....

I think that 2 color pallette means to use just 2 colors, plus black and white.

supervike

05-28-2007, 12:36 PM

and I hate to correct you vikey, but black and white are not colors.....

Yer not correcting me....that was from Cindy's post ages ago.

Plus it does say two colors PLUS black and white!

So, your correction failed on two accounts!!!

I hate to point that out.

:bowsucker

LavronYor

05-28-2007, 02:43 PM

I think you enjoyed pointing that out to me

Kneeling...........

Just trying to keep a little smack going here..... :-)

supervike

05-28-2007, 04:57 PM

I think you enjoyed pointing that out to me

Maybe just a smidge!!:vb_devil:

cdukino

05-28-2007, 05:19 PM

Oh my...

.... did I post that? ....

... guess I did...

... well better get out the red paint then as I can't for the life of me say that this theme shouldn't be in the IP.. would be arguing againt myself then. Well I can talk to myself, but i'm not that scizophrenic...

and yes i know black and white aren't colours ;) I had classes in colour study so i would know ;)
hahaha

cdukino

05-28-2007, 05:23 PM

I'm going to suggest Vince was joking on the odd chance you just didn't complete your mini and thus he glides into the winning spot.

Least that's how I took it.

Ha, very odd chance indeed. I refuse to be a DNF... I'm the wrong competitor for that... i won't let that happen and certainly not due to theme....you could have tossed any theme at me and I'll have made an entry :)

supervike

05-28-2007, 06:03 PM

Didn't mean to put you on the spot Cindy....

My point was the 'blood' idea has been around since the advent of the contest.

cdukino

05-28-2007, 06:15 PM

I know... and even if you would have I didn't mind and i did not take offence (hadn't even occured to me). I had a laugh out of it actually... And just in case it wasn't clear yet... I never had problem with the blood part of the theme... just the idea of gore... I'm rather enjoying myself at the moment painting actually. I managed to get quite a bit of work done today... and it's going pretty well too.

vincegamer

05-28-2007, 09:19 PM

Well, it wasn't exactly a joke.
I realized it would not seem fair to those who did not get this far because there are some who got knocked out who love this stuff. Of course I think they need serious professional help....
Anyway, I threw the idea of a boycott out there just in case anyone wanted to run with it, but with no expectation that anyone would.
I think Cindy made a good analogy with porn, though I'd be far more inclined to do porn than gore. Would my response have gotten the same reaction if porn had been the topic?

I find gore extremely distasteful and I won't own any gory minis.
Of course, since this is a test of my iron, I have to push myself into something I'm not comfortable with in the spirit of the competition.

So, I know what I will be painting, but I won't enjoy doing it, and I'll be selling it asap after it's done.

supervike

05-28-2007, 11:32 PM

I do say I have to commend you for your conviction on this Vince and Cindy. Had I known the reaction it would get I wouldn't have used it.

All along Vince have always made 'violent' minis non-violent, and Cindy has always had a sort of whimsey to most of her works. This is going to be a tough challenge for both of you, and lets not forget Skya having to judge it.

The rest of us are blood thirsty deviants!!

Frustrated Father

05-28-2007, 11:56 PM

Sort of surprises me that folks have a problem with it to be honest. Me, I would have used it anyhow.

:D

cdukino

05-29-2007, 01:41 AM

I'm using the theme :) I even have a ripped out heart... granted... it's used in a temple of doom way (I actually saw that not to long ago)... so it's more horror movie cliche then gore extreme... but then again that's what i was going for.

Skya

05-29-2007, 02:13 AM

I do not think it's unreasonable to want to keep the Iron Painter themes to a PG13 level. Iron Painter is supposed to be about pushing your painting skills, not your personal squemishness levels. If an individual wants to take it past the PG13 point that's thier call, but I really dont think the theme should be forcing them to and I will judge this theme with that in mind.

Ritual

05-29-2007, 04:57 AM

Malebolgia

05-29-2007, 05:59 AM

Although the contestants and a judge think the theme isn't nice...I love it. I love throwing TCR over models to give them that extra 'oomph'. I also love what Mika (http://warhammer.org.uk/PhP/viewtopic.php?t=23905&highlight=) and Jakob Nielsen (http://www.jrn-works.dk/gallery/mini.php?range=GWogres&model=ManeaterConversion) can do with blood. That said, I understand that some people think it is distasteful and don't like it. But if a theme would be changed I would never participate in a IP again. So it is awesome to see the contestants give it a try.

And there can be done a load of things with blood without going the "Splatterhouse road":
A Wizard whose spell just backfired with a bloody nose saying "...or was it Cadabra Abra Alakazam...?"
A giant that just stepped on a snotling/pixy/smurf and now has a green/red/blue stain under his boot with the text "Ooops...sorry!"
A Monty Pythonesque scene with the black and white knight. If the blood is done way over the top it is only funny and not gross at all
Stylized blood painted with actual paints instead of inks so you get the effect that comics like Spawn (the ones by Greg Capullo) use. Very fake and very stylized but they must look awesome on Rackham miniatures.
A Warhammer goblin fanatic covered in bruizes and scratches, etc. with a couple of goblins/snotlings standing behind him (laughing) and shouting "N00B!!"
A frenzied Santa Claus hacking several Snowmen apart and covered in snow (the Satan Claus from Excalibur Miniaturen is ideal for this scene).
A model that has chopped a Gelatinous Cube (http://www.aethertraveller.com/images/gelatinous%20cube.gif) apart and is now covered in slime, goo and jelly (and isn't looking very happy...).And I could keep on going and going with silly things like these...

See, enough ideas that don't involve SAW/Hostel/Texas Chainsaw Massacre like scenes and still involve blood. Just be creative and do stuff the judges don't expect and I'm sure you'll do well :)

vincegamer

05-29-2007, 07:03 AM

What is TCR?

Malebolgia

05-29-2007, 07:08 AM

Tamiya Clear Red...the drug that makes painting blood easy...and fun to do. The Tamiya Clears range has alcohol in it and therefore paints a bit strange, but they do have very strong colors and are translucent too. They are IMO the best way of painting blood (although it can easily be done with inks, like the way Mika does it). Lonewolf is one the most famous painters and uses TCR A LOT.

cdukino

05-29-2007, 07:11 AM

Tamiya Clear red (sp?) .. red ink used for blood effects a lot.

ok..beaten to it :) Marijn was faster

Malebolgia

05-29-2007, 07:17 AM

RED UNZ GO FASTAAAAAAA! ME IS COVERED IN TCR!!!

*ahum* Never mind...

vincegamer

05-29-2007, 09:19 AM

Wonder where I can get some....

supervike

05-29-2007, 09:28 AM

Tamiya is sold at lots of places, like Hobby Lobby. I found mine at a local model railroad shop.

Malebolgia

05-29-2007, 09:29 AM

Most model stores carry Tamiya paints (you know, the stores that sell model airplanes, trains, and stuff like that). It's with the water solluble range. Here's a picture of the paint pot from my website:
http://s1161342.fmnsedu.rug.nl/kadaver/tamiyapaints.jpg

Oh and by the way...the right pot (Tamiya Smoke) is also godlike. It's ideal on quick and oily metallics and can also be used to shade things like skin (for example, Mika did that on his Heresy Ghouls), as long as you matte varnish it.

supervike

05-29-2007, 09:33 AM

Oh...I'll have to find that SMOKE one!

There is a green one too that would be good for 'radioactive sludge'.

Malebolgia

05-29-2007, 09:38 AM

And a blue one and a yellow one (which can come in handy in case anyone wants to do a snowscene...*giggle*)

Maestro

05-29-2007, 09:43 AM

For some reason, I have exactely those 3 colours of Tamiya Clears.. Red, Orange and Smoke. My personal favorite is Smoke, brilliant for simple metals, and also nice for white cloth..

Skya

05-29-2007, 02:20 PM

I can understand, and definitely respect, if someone doesn't like gore or similar topics. But, frankly, having some sort of age ratings (I don't even know what they're called) on this competition seems ridiculous! Everyone is free to make their own interpretation of the theme and the judges make their own interpretations in order to be able to judge. But setting some type of censorship on how the competition is run is not something I would want to see. In fact, if that was the case I would not want to be a part of it!

The movie ratings were the only thing I could come up with off the top of my head that seemed aplicable to saying that the themes shouldnt *require* that someone be uncomfortable on a squemishness level with what they are painting to get full points for theme is all. I know the movie ratings suck and always have. The concept of something not being apropraite for 12 and under, that somehow magically becomes apropriate at age 13 is just utterly rediculous.

Suffice to say, there's a big difference between the theme being blood and the theme being gore. The same way there's a big difference between the theme being skin and the theme being sex or even for some people just nudes. In either case you can take the first one and use it to create an image with the second one in it, but if the theme starts as the second one you cant just do the first one and expect to get full points for theme. Anyways, I hope it got my point across.

Skya

05-29-2007, 02:24 PM

Tamiya clears are weird. I like them for quick and easy metallics, but they have a really bizzare consistancy that I dont like painting over so I use then as a last step, and I have had them stip my alcohol base paints off when applied over them. They're useful, but be careful with them.

Frustrated Father

05-29-2007, 02:34 PM

I know I'm probably shooting myself in the foot with some of ya'll but so be it, but I feel being squeemish, boycotting or trying to force a particular theme because it doesn't appeal to you, whether be it judge or contestant seems to be just a tad off, and in this case I would just have to say either be creative, or just don't participate.

Putting a rating (and yes I know it was just trying to get a point across) on the themes seems to be a really off way of doing things as some folks are completely into a theme, others aren't, thus the whole idea is that you are pushing yourself and doing different styles for your painting.

Now I say be 'creative', in particular due to Vincegamer himself as I have yet to come across someone that has been more creative in taking a theme and twisting it into a completely different way to look at it. The theme in this case is 'Splatterhouse and Bloody Hell'. Like Malbolgia pointed out, you could have some one out there destroying snow men and pouncing on pumpkins and turning them into jack-o-lanterns .. or any other number of ideas. Hell, anyone remember Gallagher and his watermelon hammer?!!

You aren't going to please everyone, whether be it contestant or judge. Some contestants just aren't going to like a theme or a style or are going to be out of their comfort level, but that's part of being in the Iron Painter and one of the reasons why there are round eliminations. You certainly aren't going to please all of the judges as we've very well seen in this competition as well. You get some that just 'bleah' and award low points and you get others that go 'OMG' and award top points, and then turn it around the next theme even though you were the favorite the time before. Thus the multiple judges. Like American Idol, sometimes you just REALLY hate Simon.

Now when it all comes down to it, Wyrd just hosts the competitions and Jim (Supervike) is in charge of each and every faucet of this so when it comes down to it he'll make the call. Cut some slack though and enjoy the competition for what it is instead of pulling out the soap box.

Be creative and enjoy yourselves.

Skya

05-29-2007, 02:37 PM

Fair enough, was more just trying to make my point and get my opinion across. Didnt mean to hit a soapbox level.

Ritual

05-29-2007, 02:38 PM

Suffice to say, there's a big difference between the theme being blood and the theme being gore. The same way there's a big difference between the theme being skin and the theme being sex or even for some people just nudes. In either case you can take the first one and use it to create an image with the second one in it, but if the theme starts as the second one you cant just do the first one and expect to get full points for theme. Anyways, I hope it got my point across.
Yes! Good point! I don't think there's a problem with this here though... I wouldn't require a gorefest type entry to give out high points.

Frustrated Father

05-29-2007, 02:41 PM

Meh, its not directed at any one person, and surprisingly, I've gotten some PM's about it as well from folks just 'watching' making a comment one way or another. I just felt that something needed to be said to point out that it is to be 'fun' and 'creative'.

Lets keep it that way is all I'm trying to get across, no one needs toes to be stomped, least of all me.

vincegamer

05-29-2007, 02:56 PM

I haven't actually started anything yet. I had something in mind that I've been thinking about for a while involving a Space Marine. I thought I'd run with that, but now I'm thinking how can I stretch the theme.
Maybe something with Al Gore....
I may still do the Marine, but I may not. I've sort of had another idea....

I'll never understand the internet.
Why is it when I did a google image search for "bloody hell" this is one of the first things I got?
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/lara-cricket-762702.jpg
And there were many more pages of women in bikinis.

Ah, I found out why!
Wikipedia Entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So_where_the_bloody_hell_are_you%3F)
You Ausies are an odd bunch.

The Banned Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn0lwGk4u9o)