FINAL ROUND for the Iron Painter!!!

[supervike]

The matchup:


Stupid Cow vs. Wren


The theme:

JUST FOR A LAUGH

That may be another incredibly tough challenge.....This theme is very open to interpretation...but remember...PLEASE the judges!!

This theme was chosen randomly from the initial list of 15 themes.

The rules are still the same....

The painters have two weeks, the new deadline is

Saturday, Dec 16th @ 6pm cst....

Will the second chancer be able to keep up his latest domination?

Will Wren put the cannon on backwards?

Will supervike take a "Math made Simple" course?

All will be decided in the FINAL exciting round of the IRON PAINTER....

which begins....


NOW

[matty1001]

Hahhahahaha, even the title made me laugh! Its a fitting theme for a final round! But a hard one to say the least, i cannot think of anything i would do for it. Good luck to the finalists.

[LavronYor]

Damn, I peaked too soon.

[EricJ]

I'm starting a "Buy Supervike a calculator" fund, donations welcomed.

If we don't raise enough, it will roll over into the "showing supervike his computer can also be a calculator fund"

good luck contestants, it'll be a tough one, I know for a fact Nathan was clinically born without a sense of humor! It's true!

[Beelzebrush]

I wish I was doing this too (actually I reckon I should be)

[Duende]

Great theme! Can't wait to see what these two have in mind!

Hey Eric, stop picking on vike! I'm sure you've had moments when you haven't been the brightest bulb in the box either!
:stupido2:

And I assure you, Nathan DOES have a sense of humor, ....just because it's all potty humor doesn't mean it doesn't count.

:hahaha: :toilet:

[vincegamer]

I wonder if my Left Talon of Roc would have stood a chance....

[Ritual]

Hey Eric, stop picking on vike! I'm sure you've had moments when you haven't been the brightest bulb in the box either!
:stupido2:

You mean like posting photos of yourself drunk in women's underwear? :ahhhhh:

[EricJ]

Hey, I was just trying to help Frenchkid! People were picking on him for the Bikini photo.

[Ritual]

I wasn't questioning your motifs! I was merely suggesting it was not the smartest thing... unless you secretly enjoy the attention it brought, of course! :D Which is perfectly okay... I've been a goth most my life so I understand exhibitionism! :D

[Frustrated Father]

Now you know I require pictures for the whole goth thing Ritual.

Cool on the theme, a hard one I think, but one that should be quite interesting. I resent, and resemble, all the comments.

[Ritual]

Let's see what I can do...

[Stupidcow]

This is a theme I least expected really but nuttin stands in the way of the cow. Nuttin!

[callumrice]

Come on Cow, keep with the smacktalk! on the home stretch now baby! Wooo WOoo like a train!

[Wren]

At this point in time, at least, I don't think this little bird will be standing in the way of the cow. :-< I'm still at the stage of going nuts trying to figure out what to paint. I had a bit of that with most of the rounds, but usually I'd sleep on it and one of the two or three ideas I had would jump up to the head of the line thought-wise and I'd go with that. Now I've got four or so ideas, but each seems to have as many disadvantages as advantages. This one's funny, but I might not be able to paint it in the time alloted. That one's not quite as funny, but it allows for more painting technique opportunities than this other one that's funnier but would probably be judged as far too simple to paint. None of them are really jumping up and saying pick me, pick me, and I need to just choose something and get the show on the road already. Ah well, just part of the fun, right? :->

[Frustrated Father]

Find the Chaos Toilet from GW and that would be a start ... potty humor and all that.

[supervike]

In the first IP, I only put techniques on the list....things like 'metallics' or 'NMM'...this IP the list had many more 'conceptual' things....but it has only been the last few rounds where they appears....They are probably the toughest for an artist to have to attack....

Good luck.

[Duende]

None of them are really jumping up and saying pick me, pick me, and I need to just choose something and get the show on the road already. Ah well, just part of the fun, right? :->

Just remember to keep the humor pretty lowbrow, Wren. I mean... geez, look who the judges are!



*smack!*

:laugh:

[Wren]

That's an excellent point Duende. I'll definitely need to put aside my Noel Coward, Oscar Wilde sensibilities and go for the lowest common denominator. ;->

[Frustrated Father]

Who are they?

[Ritual]

@duende
Heyyy!! I resent that!! :motz: I have a very sophisticated sense of humour, you know! :hmpf:

[Frustrated Father]

Hehuhuhhheuhh ... he farted ... :Snort:

[Ritual]

My sense of humour is so sophisticated that nobody even laughs at my jokes... or does that mean I'm boring? :hmmmm:



:laugh:

[Duende]

My sense of humour is so sophisticated that nobody even laughs at my jokes... or does that mean I'm boring? :hmmmm:


What?

[Maestro]

Hmmmm.. Search results for 'joke' by 'Ritual' comes out with nothing.. Even Google couldn't come up with anything much... :p

John

[EricJ]

okok, you all have to stop making fun of Nathan and Anders, or else I'm going to have to post photos of me in lingerie again to deflect attention, and I don't think anyone wants that...

[Stupidcow]

Tis the season to be cross dressing!

[Sculpta the squig]

[insert little britan quote here] LOL

Squig

[Ritual]

Tis the season to be cross dressing!
You can cross-dress every season of the year! :D

[Wren]

But ideally at this time of year the cross-dressing ensemble should include something red with fluffy white trim and maybe an elfy hat. Whaddya say Eric?

[EricJ]

I don't know, you guys sort of stopped making fun of them, I'm not sure it's needed any longer! :D

[Ritual]

They can make fun of me all they want!! As a judge, I will have the final laugh anyway!! :vb_devil:

[Frustrated Father]

Ooooh ... so I can wear my fluffy white and red garders AND toast them in the scoring as a judge. Hrmmm, no negatives as far as I can tell (strokes garder ...)

[LavronYor]

If either of the contestants are still in need of Funny ideas.....

[Duende]

Well I still have the picture of the wedding cake topper I made with Eric as the bride, MarkusTay in his Carnivale finest as the groom, and Itchy in his cycling outfit as the flower girl. I could always repost that for a good laugh, got some newbies here that have never seen it.....

Or maybe I can use it for blackmail... hmmmmm.......

:laugh:


And since Eric has his corset, Nathan apparently has fluffy garters, so Ritual needs something... a nice babydoll outfit maybe??

[Stupidcow]

I might jolly well end up running round in women's underwear if I still can't get any ideas to work on my final entry!

[supervike]

cracks whip....

what is all this!!~

This is meant to be a SERIOUS contest....SERIOUS!!

[Duende]

@ Vike:

:bootyshak :reddy: :bootyshak :reddy: :bootyshak :reddy: :bootyshak :reddy: :bootyshak :reddy: :bootyshak :reddy: :bootyshak :reddy: :bootyshak :reddy: :bootyshak :reddy: :bootyshak :reddy: :bootyshak

The 21 bun salute!


(Had to do it, my post count says I must be evil! ;) )

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l236/Duende71/offtohell.jpg

[DrEvilmonki]

cracks whip....

what is all this!!~

This is meant to be a SERIOUS contest....SERIOUS!!

Hang on I thought it was COMEDY! Now I am confused.

[supervike]

Damn! I actually had to count those bums to see if it was indeed 21....(even with me bad math skillz)

Dr. Evil, Serious Comedy maybe?

[EricJ]

So what are your thoughts so far SV? Do you like the "concept" themes? Or prefer the technical themes?

[Jabberwocky]

Dr. Evil, Serious Comedy maybe?

Tragic comedy...

[supervike]

So what are your thoughts so far SV? Do you like the "concept" themes? Or prefer the technical themes?

Well, honestly I do like the concept themes. It seems to be much more challenging, and in fact may give a 'not-so-technical' painter a slight edge, provided they nail the concept.

But, I'm only here to serve....I'd love to know everyones thoughts, what they would like to see in future Iron Painters, etc.

Thanks!!

[DrEvilmonki]

I love the format (even if I did waz out in round two).

I like both the technical and descriptive themes about the same really.

[callumrice]

I enjoy it too, it totally plays with peoples comfort zones as well. It challenges you to try something you havent before. Grand fun.

GO COW GO

[Duende]

I like both as well.... well, for anybody else. If I was actually in the IP, I think I'd like the descriptive theme better, since I suck at the technical! ;)

But I don't know who I wanna root for this round?? I suppose i'll compromise and go with this:

Brown-Headed Cowbird
http://content.ornith.cornell.edu/UEWebApp/images/MPR_080502_100045_S.jpg

:D

[Wren]

lol, now that is an interesting compromise. I had to go look up cowbird to see how they got the name, which is from following after herds of cattle to eat the insects they stir up. This is not the most interesting feature of the cowbird, though. Since they have to stay mobile with animal herds, hey are cuckoo-like, and lay their eggs in the nests of other birds, where their young often out-compete the biological young of the nesting bird for food. So, um, Stupidcow, what's the chance of you doing two minis for this comp and we'll just put my name on the best one? ;->

[Hinton]

I haven't been around long enough to get in on the IP, but I think I'd like a conceptual/descriptive theme over a technical one. Technique is one thing, but it does tend to limit what can be done. Going with a concept opens the floodgates of imagination and could make for some very interesting entries.

Just my .02 on it.

[supervike]

Thanks all for the replies...

I know the one thing that REALLY makes the IP work (other than Nathan allowing us room here....) is the chit chat and good natured ribbing that takes place between the rounds. So all of you have made it into something special. I encouraged 'smack talk' and 'wip' early on, hoping to be different from other contest formats where secrecy is the name the game.

I'd love to see the IP really grow and I have some ideas that might mix it up a little, but those will wait for next time....

We still got THIS one to settle....

[matty1001]

How often will you be hosting them? Once a year? Twice a year? Or more?

[callumrice]

I say you leave it a month then roll out another one! They are grand fun. Cant get too much of a good thing

GO COW GO

[Duende]

So, um, Stupidcow, what's the chance of you doing two minis for this comp and we'll just put my name on the best one? ;->
Are you sure that's not the other way around, and you paint two, Wren, and put Stupidcow's name on the worse one?? ;) (thus bumping him out!)


...they are cuckoo-like,
Aren't we all!! :D

[EricJ]

Well there was only about a month between 1 and 2 I think, but I definately agree there doesn't seem to be a huge reason to wait around for months before doing a new one, if there are people wanting to play!

However, I think SV may have to find at least one new judge for next time ;)

[Skya]

Definately wait till early-mid January for next one, at which point I'd be happy to either compete and try to take back my title or to take up a spot as replacement judge.

[Frustrated Father]

As a heads up, the next Wyrd Painting Contest starts January 1st. Not an issue to run them both at the same time or overlapping, but that's the layout for the moment.

[Hinton]

As a heads up, the next Wyrd Painting Contest starts January 1st.

Any idea (or hint) what it's going to be?

[Stupidcow]

So, um, Stupidcow, what's the chance of you doing two minis for this comp and we'll just put my name on the best one? ;->
You mean you want me to paint 2 minis and pass off the better one as yours? I could do that you know if you beg hard enough, but the very competent judges can surely tell they are both mine.

For the sake of my many fans, I'll be posting some sneak preview of what I'm cooking up this time hopefully by the next mid week since I didn't get to do anything this week.

[lauth81]

Any idea (or hint) what it's going to be?

Femme Fatale II maybe?

And, heck, Iron Painter is fun to watch from the sidelines ...

[Ritual]

I noticed there's no gallery set up for the final round...

[Frustrated Father]

Is now ...

[matty1001]

Found this on an eBay group, i thought it woul fit the theme quite well!
http://groups.ebay.co.uk/servlet/ImageServlet/attachImage/100009449-1600128048-1602073114-1600017463?contentType=image%2Fjpeg&maxWidth=525&maxHeight=525

[callumrice]

For the sake of my many fans, I'll be posting some sneak preview of what I'm cooking up this time hopefully by the next mid week since I didn't get to do anything this week.

Cant wait for another of the cows masterclasses. You lot study hard now, we are learning from the master!

Shame we have to wait till midweek but hey, everyone loves a bit of tension.

The cow train is coming to its last stop, choo choo!

GO COW GO

[LavronYor]

Back to the concept or technical, I like how it started technical and then switched to concept. My only problem is that the judges need to agree on the interpretation of theme and then give some guidelines.

[Ritual]

I'm not sure why the judges need to agree on anything! Judging these things are in some aspects a matter of taste and as such it is subjective. If we agreed on everything there's no need to have three judges, right?

From a judging point of view I think the conceptual themes were more interesting as the theme score becomes totally separated from the technique score. With the technical themes those score quite often went hand in hand.

[Frustrated Father]

Yeah I noticed when we were doing technicals right off, the scores were fairly the same across the board, with a bit of deviation here and there, but for the most part, ranged within the same numbers.

When it came to conceptual themes, that's where you get your greatest diversion as you then find the different likes, dislikes, humor, etc of the judges.

Good - bad ... not for me to say. I just judge. :D

[lauth81]

From a spectators viewpoint: I like the concept idea much more than the pure technique contest.

[Malebolgia]

Stop smacking about the contest guys...I want to see pictures of the two main contestants...I want smacking from the real biatches...the real masters of paint and creativity! GIVE US PHOTOS! :D

[Duende]

Hey, theme is all about how an artist interprets it. Below is a scan of "Armageddon" by one of my favorite artists, Michael Whelan, and after it is the caption that was with the picture.....

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l236/Duende71/armageddon.jpg

This was an early piece commissioned for a gallery show entitled "Machines on Wheels". It attracted a lot of attention hanging next to paintings of farm machinery and sports cars.

:D

[Wren]

I feel like a negative nelly to say it, but here goes. I don't hate the descriptive/concept themes, but I'm far from as enthusiastic about them as everyone else seems to be, and I don't think I'd enjoy participating in an IP where they dominated. I think there are several down sides to them.

People seem to like the WIP approach, and I agree it is fairly different from the approach of most contests, where you can't share even if you want to. The concept themes seem to be discouraging WIP posting. I don't think a single one was posted last round. I'm still debating whether to post any this round (I've really only been painting a couple of days, last week was all prep and assembly and nothing much to take photos of). A joke that elicits a guffaw the first time you hear it might only get a chuckle the second time, a smile the third time, and barely any response thereafter. A lot of us reread books and watch movies several times, but I'm willing to bet that rarely does the repeated experience have the same impact as the original one. On the other hand, if you're doing something like NMM or weathering or whatever, it's as likely as not to look like shite during the process, and then impress everyone with how well it came together as a finished product. ;->

I have found these concept themes a little more stressful and less fun than the others, because of the pressure of thinking of the idea. Now that's likely exacerbated because spontaneous ideas are not always a strong point for me, and probably goes to support the argument that they're a good idea because it creates a more level playing field. On the other hand, I'm one of only two people to actually have been faced with concept themes within an IP context so far, so I think my opinion is worth a little consideration. ;-> The work level is also pretty high. Every entry last round included multiple figures or extensive scenery. In addition to the pressure of coming up with an idea on demand, that's more to prep, more to paint, time for assembly and glue drying, leaving a lot less flexibility if your non-painting life jumps up and demands attention. I only had four days available for the magic theme entry, but I was able to do it through careful mini selection and focusing on the main theme ingredient. Multiple concept themes in a row seems a bit like people are wanting to see major contest quality entries popped out in two weeks, and then do it again and again.

The first three rounds, it was easy to use minis I already owned. I looked through my collection for a mini with the most textures to weather or good surfaces for freehand or whatever. These concept rounds have depended more on finding minis to fit the ideas, which I didn't have 'in stock'. I spent close to $25 last contest (the trash cans came in a pack of other scenery items), and I'm around $40 for this contest (expensive mini, and some hobby supplies I didn't have). Now, I haven't been collecting minis and hobby supplies for years and years like some folks, but I've had figmentia pretty badly for three years, and my collection is decently sized. A newer and/or cash-strapped painter would have far fewer options in their collection. So the more painterly themes favour one group, but the concept themes are going to favour those with big bit boxes (or big pockets), and sculpting/conversion skills.

I'm not arguing to dump the concept themes by any means, I guess I'm just saying I'd prefer them spread out or mixed with the other ones.

As a side point, I don't consider the other themes techniques. I think of them more as effects which can be achieved with a variety of techniques. Like in the weathered theme, people used techniques ranging from washes, glazes, drybrushing, crayons and more, in the aim of achieving a weathered effect. The magic theme was open to a variety of painting techniques, and also modelling techniques.

[Frustrated Father]

Not negative in the least bit, a well thought out and written opinion which I find I agree with on some points.

[DrEvilmonki]

I agree with Nathan. Your third point about having to buy figures for certain themes is the most interesting one for me (as in the point I could most agree with).

The WIP point I don't think is as valid, I think that has as much to do with the individual painter and the amount of time they have. SOme peopel are just more secretive with this kind of thing and I know from my two rounds that after a evening painting until your eyes are blurry with fatigue I didn't exactly want to pull out the camera for a photo.

I do however know that I am glad I am not in this round because I wouldn't have the foggiest idea what to do! :laugh:

[Stupidcow]

Thats a lengthy speech you got there Wren, which is pretty normal from you hehe. Although I'm pretty neutral on the thechnical/concept issue, I couldn't agree more with you on certain issues, especially the point about posting wip and losing the surprise factor.

A concept theme does require more attention on the selection of the model/s. However, if anyone has noticed, I've been using Rackham models throughout this contest be it concept or technical themes. You just have to let you creative juice flow and it does give those with weaker painting skills a chance to win at least. This is what makes the Iron painter so different from any other contest out there. For myself, I find it very interesting as it made me go into areas I never will venture for eg. conversions/sculpting. It certainlly made me enjoy the hobby even more then just painting what is there and simple basing.

BTW you'll see get to see my Wips as promised.

[callumrice]

Yeah Wren, this is an IRON painter! Nah, I understand and agree with your points too about buying new minis for each round. Its what I would have had to do had I gone through.

Your points about time though, to me this comp is all about adding pressure on time. Its not about producing an absolutely perfect model every time (however much we want to), for me its about how well we can paint a model in the timescale provided. If real life stuff gets in the way, so be it.

Im just looking forward to the next one, and prepare, for I am READY! The cow has taught me many new techniques. I have trained hard, learnt much, studied hard and prayed to the brush gods.

Let me release my stroking prowess on the next iron painter!

[Hinton]

Let me release my stroking prowess on the next iron painter!

:rofl:

*cleans off monitor*

[Malebolgia]

To me things like Iron Painter are excellent excuses to buy new miniatures :D. Not that I don't have zillions of unpainted lead miniatures at home, but a good excuse to buy more is always nice :D

[Ritual]

@Wren
You've got some interesting points there, but some of them are actually, IMO, a part of what makes Iron Painter different from other competitions. It's not supposed to be easy! It's supposed to be hard to produce competition standard entries, one after the other, with small time frames. That's where the "Iron" comes in... ;) It's a different type of competition where stamina and "spontaneous creativity" are as much a factor as technical skill. This will, of course, mean that some get eliminated due to non skill-related reasons, and that's one of the ideas with the contest.

The concept themes might very well raise the stressfulness of the contest, but that also depends on how you interpret the themes and how you incorporate them. As a judge, I can say this, that I do NOT expect GD standard entries! I am fully aware of the short time frame and I'm interested in seeing how the entrants use the time they have to make as much of the theme as possible. I'm NOT interested in just seeing the miniature that fits the theme the most but rather what the entrant has DONE with whatever mini he or she chooses to incorporate the theme. LavronYor's angry entry was a good example of how to use a mini that might not seem like the perfect choice for the theme and use it in a situation that suggests, more than illustrates, the theme. My point is, that you might not have to buy new minis, but see how you can use the minis you've already got in creative ways. But, this is of course up to each contestant.

I don't think anyone is suggesting to drop the technical themes from the competition, but I find it almost necessary to incorporate, and possibly increase, the number of conceptual themes as it will be needed to avoid repeating the same themes.

Concerning the WIP situation... I don't think conceptual themes should limit the willingness to show WIPs. I mean, when I decide on my scores I've looked at the minis between 10 and 20 times, so the initial wow-factor is long since gone... On my part, I'd say go ahead and show your WIP shots if you want to! :)

Well, these are my views on the matter...

[Maestro]

Marijn; Sinds when do YOU need an excuse to by more metal?? Did the B&C find out how much more you invest in the hobby then you do in her?? :D

John

[vincegamer]

I like the balance. For me the concept is the easy part. For the "anger" round I had 2 ideas pop in my head almost instantly, one of which I had a suitable mini for, and the better one was not expensive if I'd ordered it.
Unfortunately I didn't get that far because of the technical skills parts came first. I'd love a concept dominated IP.

[Stupidcow]

Here's a sneak of what I've been up to the past few days or in fact pass few hours. Its been busy for me due to the fact that my wife is trying to set up her own shop and I had to babysit my 2 yo son the past few days. I had to make him sleep before I get to do my own stuff so that leaves me with less then 2 hours before its midnight. Anyhow here's the stuff.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/stupidcow74/Samples/Zorro01.jpg

[Malebolgia]

I suspect a Rackham model since that seems to be your favorite manufacturer for the contest :). Don't have a clue what it is exactly...can't wait to see the thing for real!

[Duende]

It looks like Spongebob with a sword.... and... ummm,.... a side of ham on a stick.
:D

[vincegamer]

http://www.discounthobby.com/Merchant2/images/FEN/FEN-TCC09.JPG

[supervike]

On your views...

I do have to side with Wren on the WIP thingy. Concepts may lose their effectiveness when the 'surprise' factor is taken away....BUT, that said, although WIP's are indeed fun for many, I know if I were to compete, I'd probably never show a WIP...I like the thrill of the secrecy just a bit, so Its probably just a personal preference for me.

As far as the technical vs. conceptual debate goes....The reason I started adding more conceptual ideas was the lack of 'technical' themes I could come up with. I didn't want things to repeat themselves too often. Also, it seems to make sense, a technically superior painter may never lose if everthing was 'technical'. I think the mix of the two really balances out the competition. Randomness also rears its head...for instance, the THEMES from this season, were all written out on paper and assigned numbers before the first round. I tried to get an even number of each. Each round I randomly chose the theme from that paper.....It just so happen to work out that the technical ones came first...and now we are seeing the conceptual ones in the later rounds.

On buying minis for the contest....That was not my intention, to force people to spend to compete. I do apologize for that. Most of us 'mini-folk' have an abundance of pewter and lead. All in all, it was just meant to be able to work with what you have.

Most importantly, I wanted the event to be a fun community builder, which I think it has.

Oh, and one last thing, Dr. Evilmonki is a weenie.....(god, that STILL feels good to say!)

[EricJ]

I actually agree with much of what Wren mentioned. I also think that as the themes get more conceptual, what we see is that mini selection rather than painting becomes more and more important. Which I think is what is alluded to when mentioning having to spend money each round. Personally I think the contest should be more about someone's painting ability, not mini picking ability. Obviously picking a mini will always play a part in any contest, but it seems like for certain conceptual themes it becomes too large a part.

I do think there are a ton of themes which aren't exactly techniques, but rely on painting skill more than miniature selection. For example - "Night time" you have to paint a mini which looks like it's out at night, relying on dark shadows, etc...,I thought "weathering" was also a great example and also the theme that resulted in what I thought was the best batch of minis in the contest so far. I bet we could even have another theme generating thread and dozens would surface.

[Ritual]

Personally I think the contest should be more about someone's painting ability, not mini picking ability.

Exactly, and for this very reason I pointed out at several times, both before and during the contest, that just picking a suitable mini won't gain many theme points from me! It's what you do with the mini (i.e. painting, putting in context, even converting or sculpting) that counts!

[cdukino]

I largly, up to almost completely agree with the things Wren said. The concept themes, though a load of fun (I imagine to do and definatly to see from a spectator viewpoint) do have some setbacks when it comes to time-consumingness and picking of miniatures. With concepts as said before, the pick of miniature becomes a much larger factor. I have a large collection of miniatures but still some concepts would be hard (or extremely timeconsuming and hard to do with the ones I have to get a half way decent result as compared with having the perfect miniatures for the job on the go). I would love the themed ones as I think they are fun to make. But it would be near impossible to get the right miniatures for me if I needed to order and get them in time to leave enough time to make the often more time consuming themed entry. I would have to order everything online.

I do think however that themed ones still should be in it. Perfect for getting those creative juices flowing. But it's about balance I guess. But maybe less expressional ones but more abstract themes would be enough to set this balance?
Rage (or any emotion for that matter) is calling for more specific miniatures for instance I think as it's all about facial and bodily expression the mini already has to posess + it needs a elaborate base to show the reason or object of the anger...
Night time like Eric proposed would be easier... every miniature can be put in night time-theme. Paint it dark, use OSL, freehand starts, creature of the night or a whole nighttime scene, a miss in carnavalesk nightjester clothes, a werewolf howling at the moon... you name it... all would fit.

I would definatly like to be in next time, all technical themes, all themed, mixed... whatever... I want to be a part of it.

[vincegamer]

Rage (or any emotion for that matter) is calling for more specific miniatures for instance I think as it's all about facial and bodily expression the mini already has to posess + it needs a elaborate base to show the reason or object of the anger...Now now, I think you need to think outside the box a bit more. Rage doesn't need an elaborate base. It doesn't even need a pose. Rage could very easily be a bust.
I wish I had gone ahead with my second idea for "anger" but I'm going to give it away here anyway. Perhaps I'll have an opportunity to carry it out some time, but the surprise will be gone.
Anyway, I was thinking of painting my Reaper male armature:
http://www.thegamersguild.co.uk/uploadimages/26814.jpg

with a filled out sphere for a head with this painted on it:
http://www.jeboavatars.com/images/avatars/222940172066angrysmilies.jpg

Something like this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/vincegamer/angry.jpg
See, no fancy base, no particular pose, the anger is all in the face - which is basically what "smilies" do - express emotion.

[Frustrated Father]

See, its stuff like this that I like.

This is Iron Painter. Everyone has a different view, want, hope for it. I also like the fact that it is a community builder, a skill pusher and when it comes down to it, a hot foot that makes you jump around a bit to make the competition time line, skill level and in a lesser way, please the judges which all seem to have different types, wants, likes as well so its a fine line.

Welcome to Iron Painter!

:D

[Wren]

I think you should move that face about an inch to the south, vince, he's got good reason to be angry about what's not going on in that department. ;->

[vincegamer]

Hmmm. Maybe I'll put him in a japanese school girl skirt....

[Duende]

I think you should move that face about an inch to the south, vince, he's got good reason to be angry about what's not going on in that department. ;->

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l236/Duende71/bobbitt.jpg

:D

[supervike]

Now THATS funny!

(unless of course, you are John Bobbit)

[Stupidcow]

http://www.discounthobby.com/Merchant2/images/FEN/FEN-TCC09.JPG

eeks!

[Wren]

I've added a couple of WIP pictures to the WIP gallery. I was going to comment a bit on them here and stuff, but I'm really tired, so I'm just going to go to bed instead. :-> Maybe I'll get a chance tomorrow. (The what I hope will be funny part isn't added yet, just in case anyone takes a look and becomes concerned that I've missed what the theme is or something. ;->)

[Stupidcow]

I've added a couple of WIP pictures to the WIP gallery. I was going to comment a bit on them here and stuff, but I'm really tired, so I'm just going to go to bed instead. :-> Maybe I'll get a chance tomorrow. (The what I hope will be funny part isn't added yet, just in case anyone takes a look and becomes concerned that I've missed what the theme is or something. ;->)

Eeeek! A dragon!!!:ahhhhh:. That must have cost you a bit of $$$.

[Beelzebrush]

Hey Guys!

I know it's nothing to do with IP but, I just had to share a pic of our new puppy with you....

Please let me introduce Arthur the Airedale Terrier...

http://www.c20th.boltblue.com/arthur.jpg


He's an absolute nightmare, biting and chewing everything alive and inanimate.... couldn't be happier really... especially as he's related to Barney - our dog who died recently.


Anyway, back on topic - comp's looking cool so far, looking forward to seeing the entries. Good luck Wren and Mr. Cow :D

[supervike]

What a great looking pup! I hope he helps fill that void old Barney left with you, if even just a little.

[Frustrated Father]

Heh, cute bugger. Congrats!

[Stupidcow]

He looks like a Schnauzer. We used to have 4 dogs in our house years before but as my small contry develops, we were forced to move into pigeon holes aka flats, so the limited space is a hinder to keep pets.

[LavronYor]

Well, I guess the contest judges showed some clairvoyance in my timely elimination. Real life, especially with the holidays nearing, has taken an extreme amount of my painting/mini hobby time. That being said, I can see several different points to the IRON painter contest. I agree with many whom have said that it needs to be tough, and having made it 80% of the way, I think it is. Training, practice, pushing yourself, trying new techniques all add up to a REAL challenge. And as Wren said, the concept ones really make you think. As far as buying a new mini to fit an idea goes, I think that maybe you decided it was easier to purchase minis for your first idea, than trying to think of another idea. I personally would have liked to see the list of themes and at least have time to purchase items for themes that are unusual to me. I might not have any trouble coming up with wardrobe malfunctions, but something fuzzy and cuddly might force me to purchase Baby Kade's little buddy. In the end, it was really great to get me out of a nonpainting slump, as most of us fall into now and then.

And Supervike, if you want to add some new themes, here are some suggestions.
A color ( like Picasso's Blue period), a lack of color ( as in Sin City, and yes, I know that some other site already suggested this one, ) an obvious conversion, and a favorite movie scene done in miniature.....

Just a few thoughts.

PS Wren your mini should be on its way tomorrow. ( sorry )

[EricJ]

What I think would be sort of fun is if a painter had to declair their mini before a concept is chosen, THEN learn the concept, that'd make it tough and make it really rely on painting to fill the theme ;)

[LavronYor]

I thought I implied that it was tough enough, Eric, then you have to go and add that bit. ;-)

[Frustrated Father]

And Supervike, if you want to add some new themes, here are some suggestions.
A color ( like Picasso's Blue period), a lack of color ( as in Sin City, and yes, I know that some other site already suggested this one, ) an obvious conversion, and a favorite movie scene done in miniature.....

I rather like those suggestions though the movie one might be a touch more difficult for those of us that might not have seen it unless it is one that is really obvious (Terminator - who doesn't know Terminator, but Old Boy ... now that's one many might not have seen).

[Wren]

Arthur's a cutie! And from the look on his face, I wouldn't mess with his kermit. ;->

Maybe a scene from a book, as you could include a relevent passage and then it wouldn't be as significant viewers were familiar with the book? Though in a like vein, if you can link to a picture of a movie scene, that helps for people who haven't sene it.

Nothing to apologize for Yavron!

No new WIP pics, since there hasn't been much W between housework, Xmas stuff and gaming night. But I'll take a few minutes to comment on my previous WIP. I actually had more ideas this time than last round. Last round I went out and bought something because while I think my other idea is cool (and I expect I'll use it for a Wyrd contest some time), I feared it depended too much on choice of mini(s). This time, I had six or more ideas, some that used minis I already owned. None of them stood out as the most funny, so I had to figure out another way to choose, and there were a lot of pros or cons that didn't help that way, either.

In the end I went with the idea that was most what I haven't done before. Each round of the IP I've been able to push myself or practice with something fairly new to me, and that's made the exercise invaluable to me regardless of whether or not I win. (And I never expected to make it this far!) I've never painted a dragon before and had no particular plans to do so, so the idea that used one stuck out. As Skya commented in the WIP, he's a cute dragon, and that's why I picked him. I did have a couple of dragons on hand, but they didn't fit the concept as well. And I can heartily recommend this guy for a first time dragon painter, the limbs and sockets fit together really well. So prep and assembly took a fair whack of time, but weren't massively stressful. (Though given my track record for assembly, I think I deserve a point or two for not sticking an arm in a leg socket or something. ;->) And I lucked out and got him on sale because the store had him priced $10 cheaper than he should be, and store policy is to sell it for what it's marked, so I wasn't ripping them off or anything.

Anyway, the boring stuff in the first WIP took the first 7 days or so. And it is sort of boring, just because of the sheer real estate. Another thing that's a little tedious is I'm used to painting with a magnifying visor (cause I'm middle-aged and my near vision isn't as keen). But it has a focal point of about 4 inches. So I'm all the time banging a wing tip or a nose or whatever against the visor cause I forget and try to look at something closer. So definitely sharp protruding points have to be the last thing painted. ;-> My hat's off to people like Skya who paint seriously large dragons! I really like the effect of the blue shading on the scaly parts, it gives a sort of jewel tone quality. I'm less happy with the colour for the belly scales. I really wish now that I hadn't shaded with a reddish brown. I'm having to stop myself from even thinking of doing it over, I know I don't have time to do that before the deadline!

Stupidcow's right that I babble a lot, so I'm just going to wrap this incoherency up. Hope to have more WIP pics tomorrow.

[Stupidcow]

Stupidcow's right that I babble a lot, so I'm just going to wrap this incoherency up. Hope to have more WIP pics tomorrow.

Well most people start to get abit long winded when they reach middle age so no worries there. :laugh: I had a mind blank last week trying to think of an idea and you had 5-6 already thought out?

Luckily I received the package from Nathan with that cute pumkin inside which prompted me to do some conversion on and make a cartoon version of Zorro. I'm going thru a very busy time as well so I'm not gonna come up with anything big other then what I've posted. Looking at the date that leaves me with just 1 afternoon to finish up my model and the base.

[Duende]

All this discussion has me wondering....

Where has all the smack-talk gone?? C'mon, people, this is IRON Painter!... I-R-O-N !! Not Limp-Noodle Painter. Time to haul yourself up by your bootstraps and get to work.

How about this for a theme? The "My Mind's a Blank" theme, where at the beginning of the round, you post five random minis you just have sitting around in the WIP gallery, then some designated innocent bystander (or maybe one of the judges, but how innocent are they?) picks one and tell you how to paint it. Then you do your best to meet expectations.

Just an idea... :stupido2:

P.S. Awwww, cute puppy!

[callumrice]

That sounds like a cracking idea Duende, my fav so far.

[Maestro]

you post five random minis you just have sitting aroundHow come you're so sure that everybody even HAS 5 random mini
's sitting around?? Maybe I've already painted all my mini's and only buy a new mini when the last one is finished..
:smokin:

[Ritual]

How come you're so sure that everybody even HAS 5 random mini
's sitting around?? Maybe I've already painted all my mini's and only buy a new mini when the last one is finished..
:smokin:

:laugh: That was a good one! :laugh:

[vincegamer]

Some people have this strange mental illness that makes them actually paint all their minis and only buy new ones when they have no more to paint. Really, Ritual, you shouldn't make fun of the mentally ill.

[Stupidcow]

Some people have this strange mental illness that makes them actually paint all their minis and only buy new ones when they have no more to paint. Really, Ritual, you shouldn't make fun of the mentally ill.

Does those people have the tendency to wear big girl's blouse too?

[Malebolgia]

Jup, that's Maestro allright.

Oh, and Dr.EvilMonkey is still a weenie

[Maestro]

Wow, wow.. Hold on there..!

1. I was only talking hypothetically, I'v got enough pewter and plastic to last me through the next ice-age..

2. Y'all are the big girls blouses! I'm the bi-atch of a big butch man: Beelzlelzebrush..

3. Marijn's probably right, Dr. EvilMonkey is a weenie. If anyone can identify a weenie, it's Marijn as it takes one to know one..

John *the man*

[Thryth]

Some people have this strange mental illness that makes them actually paint all their minis and only buy new ones when they have no more to paint. Really, Ritual, you shouldn't make fun of the mentally ill.
Hey,

Just so I know just how out there I am, how much unpainted lead do people have? I'm too embarassed to say how much I have! :ahhhhh:

[Ritual]

A few hundred minis... haven't counted but I'd say around 200.

[Malebolgia]

A couple thousand I guess.

[Ritual]

I always tell myself that it's good to have a stock of unpainted minis in case I would become unemployed for a lengthy time when I buy new minis! :D

[supervike]

I have enough to arm a small country.

Provided they want to be armed with little tiny men and women in various poses.

[LavronYor]

But which small country?

[matty1001]

Unopened : 25 (ish)
Open but not primed: 20 (ish)
Primed: 400 (ish, mostly plastic though!)
Painted: 4 lol

[Hinton]

I have 5 unpainted minis. No unopened packages.

[Wren]

Some people have this strange mental illness that makes them actually paint all their minis and only buy new ones when they have no more to paint. Really, Ritual, you shouldn't make fun of the mentally ill.

Hm... do you have any documented evidence to substantiate the existence of such a disease, or is it merely a rumour spread by spouses and partners trying to dissuade someone from sensibly spending money to buy yet another miniature? ;-> As to how many I actually have... I'm afraid to do a full headcount. I'm going to say 3-4 moderate sized cardboard boxes full of blisters.

I had six or so ideas, but none of them seemed especially compelling, so I was still tortured by the idea stage. A couple were variations on what I'm doing, attempts to do it without needing to paint a dragon. All but one of the rest I've forgotten. That one is a punny sort of joke, I might have a go at it some time.

I'll have another go at smack talk -

In this case, I think size does matter. I'm sure my dragon will dine on some delicious pumpkin pie, and the judges will award me the fine Christmas gift of the Iron Painter championship!

[Ritual]

How big exactly is a "moderate size" box? :hmmmm:

[Stupidcow]

Words are trivial in the final round of the Iron Painter. Its time to work.

[Wren]

Just taking a break after doing some test work for the (hopefully) funny part of my entry.

A moderate box is a little over a foot by a foot by a foot, the boxes WizKids ships their stuff in if you've seen them. It's a good size for not being too heavy to bust out the bottom.

[Ritual]

Ah... so then it's a fair amount of minis, at least! :D

[Wren]

I rationalize the number by always remembering that I got scads of them on sale. ;->

[vincegamer]

Just taking a break after doing some test work for the (hopefully) funny part of my entry.I thought the funny part was that you actually thought you could win.


Badoom Ching! Now THAT'S smack talk baby!

[Wren]

Ouch zing, it is indeed vince! Particularly since I'm hoping that even if no one else much cares for it, you'll be the one person that gets a chuckle out of what I'm doing. ;-> Ah well, back into the fray for me. Right now I feel like my real opponent is endless amounts of dragon to paint and the slightly translucent paints I'm trying to do it with.

[Stupidcow]

Submitted my entry. Was thinking might not be able to finish after all but its the final & I know how it sucked if your opponent is to walk out on you. So I gave up my sleeping time to finish my entry. Good luck to you on finishing your entry Wren.

[Wren]

Whew, got mine up too, just in the nick of time. The photos are probably crap because I don't have much practice photographing larger size minis, but at least they're there and I didn't welch out either. If it's any consolation to you SC, I've lost some sleep on this one, too.

Good luck in the judging Stupidcow, though I think I'm the one that will need it. It's been an honour to make it to the final round and have you for my opponent. I think your entry is very cute, a lot of fun. Where did you get the hobby horse?

[Stupidcow]

@Wren - PS3 must be the latest craze now for X'mas. Wonderful idea there. Its also my honour to be facing you since you beat the last champ who beat me previously. As for where I got the stuffed horse, its another painful story.

Its ripped off from my painted mid nor knight from the colony of Ephorath box set. I could have ordered the bits but its not gonna arrive in time so Ouch!

[Wren]

Ouch, that is a painful story! I'm sorry you had to rip something off an already painted model! It was a perfect touch for a pumpkin Zorro, though.

Yeah, PS3 fever is off the charts in the US. Just after they came out, I saw some go for $10,000+ on ebay. There was a store burglary and a shooting also connected with it. Wiis are hard to get too, but not that bad. Most people who buy them buy them for themselves, I think at least half the people who lined up to buy PS3s were doing it to sell them on ebay. One lady lined up with all her family, then they sold them to pay for her kid's tution to private school.

[Ritual]

I did my commenting and voting! Good luck both of you entrants and great work! It was really fun to follow this competition and do some judging here and there! Thanks everyone for all the bribes! Much appreciated! :D :laugh:

[Stupidcow]

I did my commenting and voting! Good luck both of you entrants and great work! It was really fun to follow this competition and do some judging here and there! Thanks everyone for all the bribes! Much appreciated! :D :laugh:
You mean there were undertable acts going on?:ripped: Darn should have done that earlier myself then my route to the top might have been easier!

Cmon folks, its the finals and we've been keeping you lot entertained all this while. Would appreciate more critics form you all on both entries, good or bad.:goodbad:

[supervike]

Great job, both of you.

I await the complete scoring, so I can tally....calculator already in hand!

[Duende]

Hey, where are the judges? So far I've only seen Ritual chiming in...

Hello?! Wake up and judge! It's the final round for goodness sake!

:kabong:

[Frustrated Father]

I'll get mine tonight I expect. :D

[Ritual]

Slackers! :rolleyes:

[callumrice]

Whens the next one, thats the real question!

Only joking, great models done by both final entrants on a very tricksy theme.

[DrEvilmonki]

Well done to both of you. I am looking forward to see the result!

[EricJ]

mine are in :)

[Frustrated Father]

Sorry guys, I'm working some gawd awful long hours these days and quite a bit is being put to the side. I'm off to comment and vote now.

[Wren]

I commented on some of the comments on mine, including to answer the question of what colours were used on the tongue. Just letting people know since I'm guessing most people aren't checking comments pages in the galleries all the time. Thanks for the comments everyone, the criticism is very helpful.

[supervike]

See announcement Thread!

http://wyrd-games.net/showthread.php?t=1649